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This is real. This is a robbery.
Step away from your cages.

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<i>He was the most prolific
bank robber in the Pacific Northwest.</i>

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<i>He keeps changing his disguises.</i>

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{\an8}<i>He seems like he's in a movie,
robbing bank after bank.</i>

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{\an8}<i>Three or four banks,</i>

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<i>one right after the other
in the same evening.</i>

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<i>In the FBI,
we like to give nicknames to bank robbers.</i>

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<i>His moniker was "Hollywood."</i>

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{\an8}<i>Pretty fitting,</i>

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{\an8}<i>especially when we learned
that he really was inspired</i>

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<i>by Bodhi in</i> Point Break.

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Why be a servant to the law
when you can be its master?

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{\an8}You wanna open the vault,
or do you want me to do it?

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{\an8}<i>He'd been successful
for four years.</i>

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{\an8}<i>That's why he became
our number one priority.</i>

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{\an8}<i>He was not a stupid bank robber.</i>

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<i>Hollywood was probably
one of the most dangerous people</i>

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<i>that I went up against,</i>

19
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<i>because he was a true professional.</i>

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{\an8}<i>He wanted
to decimate the city of Seattle,</i>

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{\an8}<i>and it was not only doable,
it was winnable.</i>

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<i>They knew that this man
got millions over the years.</i>

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<i>They knew that he humiliated them.</i>

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{\an8}<i>When he walked
into the Lake City branch to rob us,</i>

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{\an8}<i>he walked right past his wanted poster.</i>

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{\an8}Don't panic. This is a robbery.
Step away from your counter.

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<i>What happened here
reads straight from a movie script.</i>

28
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<i>He wears heavy makeup, a wig...</i>

29
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<i>His co-star
is this 9 mm. handgun.</i>

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{\an8}<i>The most prolific bank robber
in the country.</i>

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{\an8}<i>He's number one
on the FBI's Most Wanted List.</i>

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<i>They could not figure out
who this guy was,</i>

33
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<i>and where he was gonna hit next.</i>

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<i>Was this guy some kind of a ghost?</i>

35
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<i>How does he just slip away like that?</i>

36
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{\an8}Hollywood was a unique case
for us in Seattle.

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We knew from evidence

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that he was familiar
with security practices.

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He knew how long he had
before he had to get out of there.

40
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He was a smart bank robber.

41
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He became our number one priority

42
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after I became
the supervisor of our task force.

43
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Shawn Johnson was the FBI agent
that was the lead on the case.

44
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He was like an encyclopedia on Hollywood.

45
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He's number one
as far as, uh, the amount of money

46
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that any bank robber has taken.

47
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Hollywood was a professional bank robber.
He worked at it. He perfected his craft.

48
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I think he was enjoying what he did.

49
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I think money was part of it,
but at that point in time,

50
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it was just the, uh, adrenaline rush,
the challenge.

51
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When I assigned Mike to head up
the Seattle Police response to it,

52
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I knew that it would be
an electric relationship.

53
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Shawn and I were night and day,
oil and water, two different styles.

54
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{\an8}My partner at the time summed it up.

55
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{\an8}"Shawn Johnson was the fire,
and Mike Magan was the can of gasoline."

56
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I heard one description
that I'm not sure if I agree with,

57
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but I was the brains and he was the brawn.

58
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Don't agree with that 100%,

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but the brain part
I agree with for myself.

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Ellen Glasser was
a very talented supervisor

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who believed in the "KISS" method:
Keep It Simple, Stupid.

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As one of the first women agents
in the FBI,

63
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to be able to be supervising

64
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this violent crime squad
and the task force

65
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was such an awesome thing for me.

66
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Not only was I in this badass job,

67
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I also was blessed
to have four young children,

68
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and so sometimes I feel like
I was two different people.

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A lot of the guys called me Agent Mom.

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In the '90s,
Seattle was a city in major transition.

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You went from a two company town,
Weyerhaeuser and Boeing,

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{\an8}to then you add Microsoft,

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{\an8}and then all the companies
that came around Microsoft.

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Bezos from Amazon.

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Starbucks was growing like gangbusters.

76
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There was a flood of money
that came into Seattle.

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It was amazing
how many banks were popping up.

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I didn't put two and two together
at the time

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that all the cash coming in
from the tech boom was fueling this,

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but you could find a bank
in the grocery store.

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You could find a bank
just about every corner.

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<i>In Washington state,
the number of bank robberies is exploding.</i>

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I told my wife,
"Don't go into a bank in Seattle."

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Chances are it'll get robbed."

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<i>Three men ran
into the US Branch Bank in Woodinville</i>

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<i>with a shotgun...</i>

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<i>A man enters the bank,</i>

88
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<i>and usually passes a note
to the teller demanding money.</i>

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There were
a lot of bank robberies.

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I don't know that we did one every night,
but we did a lot of them.

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{\an8}Let's go to Deborah Horne,
who's at the scene with the latest.

92
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{\an8}That's right, David.
Just a very few moments ago...

93
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{\an8}Seattle was an exciting place.

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We were sort of
coming into our own as a city,

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certainly in terms of being
well-known around the country.

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We had Nirvana, so you have grunge.

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Grunge, to me,
to a certain extent,

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was that frustration
that a lot of people were feeling

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about changes that were coming
to their communities.

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The whole grunge thing,
it was so anti-corporate

101
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and anti-brands
and big-name and fame was all...

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Nobody cared.
Nobody wanted any of that shit.

103
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People were literally anti-establishment
for all the right reasons.

104
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They hated all the oppression,
they hated the colonialism,

105
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they hated the attack
on human rights and the environment.

106
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And ripping off banks,
if they're getting away with it?

107
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People love that.

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He's robbed 14 banks in Seattle
since, uh, June of 1992.

109
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Wow! He's pretty clever.

110
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Darn clever.

111
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It's the ultimate F-you to the man.

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- It's Mr. Hollywood.
- Hollywood, right.

113
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We knew that there was a guy
with a bunch of disguises

114
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who was robbing banks,
not hurting anybody.

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No shots were fired.

116
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Sounds very bold.

117
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There may have been some rooting for him,
and people talk about Robin Hood...

118
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{\an8}The mystique of the bank robber
goes back to the Robin Hood thing.

119
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{\an8}You steal from the rich
and give to the poor.

120
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Duh. How noble is that?

121
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He was kind of legendary
in terms of bank robbers.

122
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But in terms of who Hollywood was,
we couldn't have been more wrong.

123
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Hey, Bubba!

124
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Wow, a man with his shirt off.

125
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Come on back!

126
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Let's go, boys. Come on.

127
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- You still filming?
- We're filming this whole trip.

128
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You gotta hold the camera steady.

129
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That's a little easier
said than done, man.

130
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As you can see, we're deep in the forest.

131
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And there's not a whole lot of light.

132
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- Okay, Tarzan. What do you want to do?
- Go up top.

133
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- Go up top?
- Yeah.

134
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We're going
into Scurlock's domain.

135
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What's the elevation here, mate?

136
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- 75 feet.
- 75 feet above what?

137
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The floor of the cedars.

138
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Down there.

139
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Tell us the story, mate.

140
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How long did it take you?
What's the deal here?

141
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Took me about two weeks
to build this whole thing.

142
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- Two weeks to build this.
- Six stories.

143
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Fifty-eight tons of wood.

144
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Did a little work.
Kind of ate breakfast before I did it.

145
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Okay.

146
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Okay, no, it really took maybe...
I don't know.

147
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- Three or four months?
- Three or four months.

148
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The Treehouse
was a really amazing, amazing place.

149
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A place you could go
to get out of the norm of society.

150
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The first time I went
to the Treehouse, Scott answered the door.

151
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He was stripped naked
except his tool belt.

152
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I'd never had anybody
answer the door quite like that,

153
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but I pretended
that it was an everyday occurrence.

154
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You'd see furniture,
like you would in a normal house,

155
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and you'd walk across the deck,
and here was a toilet, here was a shower.

156
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It was like a real bathroom,

157
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except you had
a wonderful outdoor experience.

158
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It was built around
seven trees and it was really well-made.

159
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It was like cedar boards
and picture windows.

160
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It was an extravagant tree house.

161
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There was a huge oven range,

162
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and we carried
this oven range up the stairs,

163
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70 feet to the first floor.

164
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My brother
was good friends with Scott,

165
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{\an8}and he said he'd hire me
to come out and build his house.

166
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{\an8}And I said, "Yeah, why not?"

167
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We did some
of the most insane construction.

168
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We would be hanging
from ropes from our ankles

169
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to be able to nail it
and bolt it in place. And...

170
00:10:02,435 --> 00:10:03,936
It was insanely dangerous.

171
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All of it was dangerous,
but we didn't care.

172
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{\an8}The Treehouse was Scott's
inner personality that came to life.

173
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{\an8}He was safe.
It was his harbor. It was his anchor.

174
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{\an8}He was free from it all.

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{\an8}<i>I'm sitting at my desk,
40 feet in the trees.</i>

176
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<i>The deck extends off the rim
like a ballerina's tutu in full twirl.</i>

177
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<i>It's wide enough in places
to bake in the sun's rays,</i>

178
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<i>and maybe catch a wink of sleep
if you're not scared of rolling off.</i>

179
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What's going on?

180
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<i>I like just sitting on the edge,
gazing across the trees at Mount Rainier.</i>

181
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Talk to us.

182
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<i>I get a feeling
of subtle exhilaration.</i>

183
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<i>I want a lot out of this life.</i>

184
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<i>I think it will be a long search</i>

185
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<i>before I find the place
where God wants me.</i>

186
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{\an8}<i>My mind is like an undisciplined child
that has gone wild.</i>

187
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{\an8}<i>I'll just have to catch it.</i>

188
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{\an8}Everybody loved Scott.
Everybody loved the Treehouse.

189
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The two were connected.

190
00:11:14,590 --> 00:11:17,301
We clicked right away
when we first met in school

191
00:11:17,385 --> 00:11:20,596
and we just both had a lot of energy,
wild and free.

192
00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:22,139
We'd like to drink beer.

193
00:11:23,557 --> 00:11:25,351
Mark Biggins is an interesting character.

194
00:11:25,434 --> 00:11:28,229
He and Scott
went to Evergreen College together.

195
00:11:29,897 --> 00:11:34,151
People that came to Evergreen
were in some ways misfits.

196
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Me included.

197
00:11:35,444 --> 00:11:37,196
People are pretty progressive.

198
00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:42,743
It wasn't like people taking crazy drugs
and drinking and being crazy in that way.

199
00:11:42,827 --> 00:11:43,744
It was very earthy.

200
00:11:43,828 --> 00:11:47,998
Playing drums and taking mushrooms
and sitting around fires.

201
00:11:48,082 --> 00:11:50,710
It was also a very tight community.

202
00:11:51,794 --> 00:11:53,546
Fate just threw us together.

203
00:11:53,629 --> 00:11:56,632
Scott was this wild and free guy.

204
00:11:56,716 --> 00:11:59,427
Even more so
than the other Evergreen students

205
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who were considered wild and free.

206
00:12:01,762 --> 00:12:06,267
Mark is just a really tender, gentle soul,
you know?

207
00:12:06,350 --> 00:12:10,271
He played guitar and wrote poetry.

208
00:12:11,063 --> 00:12:13,983
But he was having a really hard time.
He was struggling.

209
00:12:14,483 --> 00:12:16,944
So I think Scotty really helped him out.

210
00:12:17,027 --> 00:12:20,823
I called him on the phone,
and I said, "Man, my marriage is over."

211
00:12:20,906 --> 00:12:23,159
"I don't know what I'm gonna do,
where I'm gonna go."

212
00:12:23,242 --> 00:12:26,704
And he says, "Well, get on up here!
Move in with me."

213
00:12:27,705 --> 00:12:30,166
Mark Biggins was a big, gruff man.

214
00:12:30,249 --> 00:12:34,128
He smoked Chesterfield straights.
He probably did a pack or two packs a day.

215
00:12:34,211 --> 00:12:37,047
He would knock bourbons down
like it was no big deal.

216
00:12:37,131 --> 00:12:39,133
That was the bond between him and Scott.

217
00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:41,469
Biggins could drink Scott to hell.

218
00:12:49,101 --> 00:12:52,438
I lived at the Treehouse
for many years. So did my daughter.

219
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And perfect strangers
would come knocking on the door

220
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{\an8}and they'd say, uh,

221
00:12:59,111 --> 00:13:02,656
{\an8}"Oh, we heard there's this
really cool tree house on this property."

222
00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:05,493
{\an8}Or "Can we go see it?"
And we'd have to turn them away.

223
00:13:05,576 --> 00:13:09,538
I mean, it got so bad we actually built
a gate across the driveway.

224
00:13:11,207 --> 00:13:14,001
And the Treehouse
was not built by Scott alone,

225
00:13:14,835 --> 00:13:17,004
even though
it's been quoted in many places,

226
00:13:17,713 --> 00:13:21,217
but, uh, dozens of people
worked on that place.

227
00:13:23,385 --> 00:13:25,846
My brother Scott
was never gonna be controlled

228
00:13:25,930 --> 00:13:27,181
and he wanted to be free.

229
00:13:27,723 --> 00:13:31,477
He was an adrenaline junkie.
He loved doing daring things.

230
00:13:32,186 --> 00:13:35,064
We're sitting at 60 feet up in the air
at six stories and

231
00:13:35,773 --> 00:13:37,608
this is the first time
I've ever done this.

232
00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,696
So he's gonna do approximately
a 100-foot climb upside down.

233
00:13:43,572 --> 00:13:46,283
Anytime go, Rambo, Tarzan.

234
00:13:46,367 --> 00:13:47,660
Woo!

235
00:13:50,913 --> 00:13:54,333
- Whoa!
- Oh!

236
00:13:54,416 --> 00:13:57,378
He just kept wanting to go
higher and higher and higher

237
00:13:57,461 --> 00:13:59,797
and he needed more and more and more.

238
00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,466
Right now,
if he slipped he's gonna fall

239
00:14:04,218 --> 00:14:05,511
60 feet to the ground.

240
00:14:05,594 --> 00:14:06,637
This is hard!

241
00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,889
I told you.
This is a death act, my friend.

242
00:14:08,973 --> 00:14:10,558
He was, uh, an adventurer.

243
00:14:10,641 --> 00:14:15,938
He loved the excitement of life,
and wanted new things and new experiences.

244
00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:19,984
But he made certain pivotal choices

245
00:14:20,067 --> 00:14:23,487
that led him into directions
he couldn't turn around and back out of.

246
00:14:35,916 --> 00:14:38,377
<i>In my studies,
I've gotten on the wrong track,</i>

247
00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:41,046
<i>delving into areas
not good for my spiritual growth.</i>

248
00:14:44,008 --> 00:14:46,176
<i>A voice speaks loud and clear.</i>

249
00:14:46,260 --> 00:14:48,220
<i>"Remember what you are here for."</i>

250
00:14:49,471 --> 00:14:52,182
<i>I understand, but do not change course.</i>

251
00:14:53,517 --> 00:14:57,187
He was always in pursuit
of something of his own world.

252
00:15:02,192 --> 00:15:03,444
When I first met him,

253
00:15:03,527 --> 00:15:06,363
he was aspiring
to get a degree in medicine,

254
00:15:06,864 --> 00:15:11,452
but that fell by the wayside
once he worked in the chemistry lab

255
00:15:11,535 --> 00:15:14,079
and he saw an opportunity
to make a lot of money.

256
00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:25,633
Scott was the first person in my life
I had ever known to produce crystal meth.

257
00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:27,843
He would, at nighttime,

258
00:15:27,927 --> 00:15:30,930
go up through the ceilings
and crawl into the laboratory.

259
00:15:31,722 --> 00:15:35,351
Scotty's professors discovered him.
They kicked him off the campus.

260
00:15:35,434 --> 00:15:38,812
Said, "Don't you ever, ever, ever, ever
show your face here again."

261
00:15:39,980 --> 00:15:42,524
He was smart enough to have been a doctor.

262
00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:46,862
He was one course short
of graduating in chemistry and biology.

263
00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:48,364
He would have been pre-med.

264
00:15:48,447 --> 00:15:49,782
But he didn't wanna be.

265
00:15:49,865 --> 00:15:52,201
That was not who he was and he knew that.

266
00:15:53,035 --> 00:15:55,537
And then he just continued
right on down that road.

267
00:15:58,082 --> 00:16:01,168
This grew and grew and grew
and he became so prolific,

268
00:16:01,251 --> 00:16:04,421
and his product was so absolutely pure.

269
00:16:04,505 --> 00:16:06,924
If you were ever to try his stuff,

270
00:16:07,007 --> 00:16:10,594
I'm telling you,
it was something unbelievable.

271
00:16:10,678 --> 00:16:17,393
He did have a reputation for producing
some of the finest substance, uh, around.

272
00:16:17,476 --> 00:16:21,105
I never heard anybody say... say
that somebody else's meth was better.

273
00:16:23,899 --> 00:16:28,529
Scott's use of crystal meth
was very moderate and controlled.

274
00:16:29,363 --> 00:16:33,492
He just enjoyed it
and it inspired him for creativity.

275
00:16:34,743 --> 00:16:37,997
As time went on, he bought
a piece of property with a barn on it.

276
00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,416
And so I went out there
to renovate the barn.

277
00:16:40,916 --> 00:16:44,003
In the loft of the barn,
he had his whole laboratory set up.

278
00:16:45,921 --> 00:16:49,258
Captain Pat was the front man.
He was the finance man.

279
00:16:49,341 --> 00:16:51,593
The only times they met
were in the forest,

280
00:16:51,677 --> 00:16:54,013
transferring product and money.

281
00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:56,890
When Scott would bring
180 lb. to Captain Pat,

282
00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:58,726
he would give him $2 million.

283
00:16:59,226 --> 00:17:03,063
Pat was the one
who introduced Scott to the meth world.

284
00:17:03,147 --> 00:17:05,566
The Captain, that was Pat's nickname.

285
00:17:05,649 --> 00:17:09,403
He'd take it down to Barstow
and sell it to the Hells Angels.

286
00:17:09,486 --> 00:17:11,905
And then Scott
would come back to the Treehouse

287
00:17:11,989 --> 00:17:14,283
with these boxes full of $20 bills.

288
00:17:14,366 --> 00:17:18,328
Scott and I would sit and count it out.
We'd be up all night counting money.

289
00:17:18,412 --> 00:17:20,956
But this got dangerous.
I mean, really dangerous.

290
00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:25,586
Captain Pat was murdered
by some person who was trying to rob him

291
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:27,171
and he was murdered in his sleep.

292
00:17:28,505 --> 00:17:30,382
Scott was devastated when he heard.

293
00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:35,679
But that's what people do in that world,
and he didn't want to be any part of it.

294
00:17:36,513 --> 00:17:38,015
And that's when he quit.

295
00:17:39,391 --> 00:17:41,727
Crystal meth
was his income, period.

296
00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:46,148
And so when he quit distributing,
he needed a new way to make money.

297
00:17:49,818 --> 00:17:51,570
{\an8}At that time in the '90s,

298
00:17:51,653 --> 00:17:53,697
{\an8}<i>Point Break</i> was one
of the big bank robbery movies.

299
00:17:54,281 --> 00:17:56,533
Little hand says
it's time to rock and roll.

300
00:17:56,617 --> 00:18:00,579
Scott would watch films and see
different things to get ideas from.

301
00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:03,947
Scott was down on banks
and insurance companies.

302
00:18:03,999 --> 00:18:06,418
It feels like everyone at the time was.

303
00:18:06,502 --> 00:18:07,702
On the floor, asshole.

304
00:18:07,753 --> 00:18:10,506
The money's insured,
so it's not worth dying for.

305
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:17,262
He was always wanting
to find a way to beat the system.

306
00:18:17,346 --> 00:18:19,723
- He's a real searcher.
- What's he searching for?

307
00:18:19,807 --> 00:18:22,017
The ride. The ultimate ride.

308
00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:25,229
What he liked about <i>Point Break</i>
was the individualism of Bodhi

309
00:18:25,312 --> 00:18:26,814
and his fearlessness toward life,

310
00:18:26,897 --> 00:18:30,734
whether it was robbing banks
or whether it was surfing on wild waves.

311
00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:34,196
And so when he got
out of the drug business,

312
00:18:35,197 --> 00:18:37,449
that's when he said,
"I'm gonna become a bank robber."

313
00:18:37,533 --> 00:18:39,493
Thank you very much,
ladies and gentlemen,

314
00:18:39,535 --> 00:18:40,953
and please don't forget to vote!

315
00:18:48,001 --> 00:18:49,962
{\an8}The first bank we robbed,

316
00:18:50,045 --> 00:18:52,714
{\an8}we were just talking about it,
kicking the idea around.

317
00:18:52,798 --> 00:18:55,926
{\an8}How would we do it?
Could you do this and get away with it?

318
00:18:56,426 --> 00:18:58,303
Scott told Mark before the robbery,

319
00:18:58,387 --> 00:19:01,098
"Do not say anything.
Just come in and keep people orderly."

320
00:19:01,181 --> 00:19:03,350
"Okay, okay."
He called him Boss. "Okay, boss."

321
00:19:03,892 --> 00:19:07,146
{\an8}A friend of mine dropped us off
a block away from the bank,

322
00:19:07,229 --> 00:19:11,191
{\an8}and she was supposed to meet us
at this designated spot.

323
00:19:13,986 --> 00:19:18,157
{\an8}Our plan was to wait
for a bank customer to arrive,

324
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,950
{\an8}then use his car as a getaway car.

325
00:19:22,077 --> 00:19:24,872
{\an8}Biggins puts
his Ronald Reagan mask down.

326
00:19:26,081 --> 00:19:27,583
Rock and roll!

327
00:19:29,751 --> 00:19:32,921
{\an8}Scott went in first.
He was gonna announce the robbery

328
00:19:33,005 --> 00:19:35,591
{\an8}and then I would come in
and make sure that nobody left.

329
00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:39,761
{\an8}I was so freaked out.

330
00:19:39,845 --> 00:19:42,806
{\an8}Like, "I can't believe
this is actually happening

331
00:19:42,890 --> 00:19:44,391
{\an8}and I'm actually doing this."

332
00:19:45,267 --> 00:19:46,935
{\an8}Biggins has his gun in his hand

333
00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:49,062
and he says,
"Every motherfucker on the ground!"

334
00:19:49,146 --> 00:19:53,859
Scott turns around and says,
"Everybody stand up! Stand up!"

335
00:19:53,942 --> 00:19:57,237
Because he doesn't want anybody walking by
to see people on the ground.

336
00:19:58,655 --> 00:20:00,717
{\an8}I think Scott ordered
everybody on the ground.

337
00:20:00,741 --> 00:20:03,869
{\an8}I think everybody was down
when I walked into the bank.

338
00:20:05,829 --> 00:20:08,999
{\an8}If you've ever been in a car
that you've lost control,

339
00:20:09,082 --> 00:20:10,918
{\an8}and it, you know, things slow down,

340
00:20:11,627 --> 00:20:13,462
{\an8}that's what happened to me in the bank.

341
00:20:13,545 --> 00:20:15,047
{\an8}Everything was in slow motion.

342
00:20:16,006 --> 00:20:17,549
{\an8}Finally, it was time to leave,

343
00:20:17,633 --> 00:20:19,968
{\an8}and Scott goes,
"Mark, did you get the keys?"

344
00:20:20,469 --> 00:20:22,804
{\an8}He actually used my name.

345
00:20:23,972 --> 00:20:28,060
{\an8}I bent down and I said,
"Sir, can I have your car keys?"

346
00:20:28,143 --> 00:20:31,563
{\an8}And the poor guy,
he was really frightened.

347
00:20:32,397 --> 00:20:36,360
{\an8}It's a brand-new car
and I couldn't hear that it had started.

348
00:20:41,114 --> 00:20:43,575
{\an8}And as I was doing that,
this other car pulls in.

349
00:20:47,287 --> 00:20:49,748
{\an8}Finally Scott goes,
"I think the car's started."

350
00:20:49,831 --> 00:20:51,750
{\an8}"Put it in reverse.
Let's get out of here."

351
00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:54,253
{\an8}We started driving through suburbia.

352
00:20:55,254 --> 00:20:59,549
{\an8}We get out at this designated spot
and there's no van.

353
00:20:59,633 --> 00:21:03,095
{\an8}My friend panicked and went to point B.
We had a backup.

354
00:21:06,098 --> 00:21:09,226
{\an8}And we end up
running across this golf course.

355
00:21:11,186 --> 00:21:13,730
{\an8}We could hear police cars coming.
There are sirens.

356
00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:17,526
{\an8}And there's my friend,
parked where she's supposed to be.

357
00:21:20,821 --> 00:21:22,741
That's the way it was.
It was a comedy of errors.

358
00:21:22,823 --> 00:21:25,051
I don't know how they didn't get caught,
but they didn't.

359
00:21:25,075 --> 00:21:26,435
{\an8}And then I started thinking

360
00:21:26,493 --> 00:21:29,788
{\an8}about all the possible clues
we might have left behind.

361
00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:31,290
{\an8}We used Scott's van.

362
00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:33,625
{\an8}If anybody took down the license plate,

363
00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:36,795
{\an8}I thought, "Well,
they're gonna show up any minute."

364
00:21:36,878 --> 00:21:38,672
{\an8}At one point, I sat up and said,

365
00:21:38,755 --> 00:21:41,091
{\an8}"I am never doing that again."

366
00:21:41,591 --> 00:21:46,972
{\an8}Scott goes, "Are you sure? Let's go
do another one! Right now!"

367
00:21:48,056 --> 00:21:51,935
{\an8}After the robbery, Biggins got
real scared and drove off to Montana.

368
00:21:55,022 --> 00:21:58,775
{\an8}But all of the failures
inspired Scott to go deeper into it.

369
00:22:00,652 --> 00:22:03,322
{\an8}He realized
he could handle the banks himself

370
00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:05,741
{\an8}as long as
everything outside was controlled.

371
00:22:06,241 --> 00:22:07,659
{\an8}And that's why he came for me.

372
00:22:08,785 --> 00:22:10,912
He was very scientific, analytical.

373
00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:14,416
I was more improvising, artistic.

374
00:22:15,125 --> 00:22:19,254
I had worked in sculpture
throughout Europe, in Germany and Norway.

375
00:22:21,214 --> 00:22:23,759
I didn't care about the banks themselves.
It didn't matter.

376
00:22:23,842 --> 00:22:24,968
"Great. Take 'em down."

377
00:22:25,052 --> 00:22:27,095
"Take every last penny
they have in the bank."

378
00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:29,181
"That's no problem for me."

379
00:22:29,264 --> 00:22:34,394
But I couldn't imagine doing it.
I just thought, "This is... This is insane."

380
00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:38,148
But it's Scott and he's convincing.

381
00:22:38,648 --> 00:22:42,402
He said, "Man, this is the easiest thing.
It's like taking candy from kids."

382
00:22:42,986 --> 00:22:44,988
"There's millions to be made in this."

383
00:22:47,783 --> 00:22:49,159
But, as we always said,

384
00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:51,953
there is no school of training
for bank robbers.

385
00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:54,956
Doing what Scott and I did

386
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,417
is the most creative thing
I've ever done in my life.

387
00:22:57,501 --> 00:22:59,002
Much more than the art world.

388
00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:04,883
Finding the perfect bank
was a moment of exhilaration.

389
00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:10,138
{\an8}It's like finding a piece of marble
that is perfect for some image

390
00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:11,848
{\an8}that I have that I want to sculpt.

391
00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:15,894
I would sit on the street,
close enough that I could observe it.

392
00:23:16,478 --> 00:23:19,689
I'd write down
the time of arrival of armored cars.

393
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:22,609
The deliveries
were an important time of day

394
00:23:22,692 --> 00:23:24,973
because that's when you've got
the most money in the bank.

395
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,533
If it was summer,
I would have my windows down

396
00:23:29,616 --> 00:23:31,868
and I'd have Bach or jazz going on.

397
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:37,290
{\an8}I'd be on the scanner all day,
listening to the police calls.

398
00:23:40,168 --> 00:23:43,088
{\an8}And I would watch
the patrols in that bank area

399
00:23:43,171 --> 00:23:46,341
to know when they'd come.
I would log down the times.

400
00:23:48,301 --> 00:23:49,803
A number of the banks we did,

401
00:23:49,886 --> 00:23:52,806
there was a very consistent patrol route

402
00:23:52,889 --> 00:23:55,725
that the cops took
at certain times of the day.

403
00:23:57,018 --> 00:23:57,936
We learned these routes

404
00:23:58,019 --> 00:24:00,605
so that five minutes
after the cops left the area,

405
00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:02,399
we knew it was time to hit the banks.

406
00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:07,654
I spent months driving around the streets
doing surveillance.

407
00:24:13,743 --> 00:24:17,414
You can't get a jump on a bank
going in with some stupid mask on.

408
00:24:17,497 --> 00:24:18,497
It's ridiculous.

409
00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:23,003
{\an8}So I would prepare these prosthetics,
like they do in Hollywood.

410
00:24:28,008 --> 00:24:32,929
{\an8}What we wanted were just components,
like a nose, a chin, cheeks.

411
00:24:37,976 --> 00:24:39,769
He wore D.A.R.E. caps for two reasons.

412
00:24:39,853 --> 00:24:41,354
The first thing people think of

413
00:24:41,438 --> 00:24:43,857
is that he's probably a cop
who wears a D.A.R.E. hat,

414
00:24:44,357 --> 00:24:45,984
and also to smite the police.

415
00:24:46,067 --> 00:24:49,029
'Cause it's like, "Here I am."
You know what I mean? "Dare me."

416
00:24:49,112 --> 00:24:52,991
<i>♪ I see my hopes and dreams
lying on the ground... ♪</i>

417
00:24:53,074 --> 00:24:55,952
When I first saw him,
he came back from the woods

418
00:24:56,036 --> 00:24:57,746
and I just stood there frozen.

419
00:24:57,829 --> 00:25:02,459
I go, "Oh my God Almighty.
What in the fuck is this?"

420
00:25:03,668 --> 00:25:07,297
I could look at it and there'd be no way
you'd ever think this was Scott Scurlock.

421
00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:08,632
<i>♪ Goodbye horses... ♪</i>

422
00:25:08,715 --> 00:25:11,718
<i>I feel transformed
in an eerie, magical way.</i>

423
00:25:11,801 --> 00:25:13,094
<i>♪ I'm flying over... ♪</i>

424
00:25:13,178 --> 00:25:15,281
<i>I'm changing rapidly
in this stage of my life.</i>

425
00:25:15,305 --> 00:25:17,557
<i>♪ Goodbye horses... ♪</i>

426
00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:19,434
<i>I feel like a different person.</i>

427
00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:22,521
<i>♪ I'm flying, flying, flying ♪</i>

428
00:25:30,654 --> 00:25:33,073
The very first bank robbery
that I did

429
00:25:33,156 --> 00:25:35,909
was the same bank
that he did with Mark six weeks earlier.

430
00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:40,205
The important thing in taking down a bank

431
00:25:40,288 --> 00:25:44,417
is that initial 15 seconds
when nobody thinks anything's happening.

432
00:25:46,628 --> 00:25:49,381
And he looked like a person
that might have had a skin ailment.

433
00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:52,884
So people would avoid looking at him.

434
00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:56,596
How can I help you?

435
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,598
This is a robbery. Nobody move.

436
00:25:59,099 --> 00:26:01,393
He would
pull the gun out casually.

437
00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:06,356
Nobody in their right mind
would ever say no to this man.

438
00:26:07,148 --> 00:26:09,901
You two! Money in the bag.
Everyone stay calm.

439
00:26:11,695 --> 00:26:15,365
I was sitting with the scanner
and the radio, and that was it.

440
00:26:15,448 --> 00:26:19,703
There was never any risk on my part
because I had my own alibi.

441
00:26:19,786 --> 00:26:23,039
I had my own reason for being there,
and I would never be caught,

442
00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:25,500
unless of course
I had to call him out of the bank.

443
00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:27,127
And the beauty of all of this

444
00:26:27,210 --> 00:26:31,214
was creating and developing
one of these robberies

445
00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:35,010
so that everything
would work flawlessly, safely,

446
00:26:35,093 --> 00:26:38,346
and that the actual outcome was
what we wanted, which was the money.

447
00:26:39,931 --> 00:26:41,391
We didn't talk the whole way.

448
00:26:43,018 --> 00:26:45,395
When we got to the Treehouse
and began counting the money,

449
00:26:46,521 --> 00:26:48,857
it was just five or ten thousand dollars.

450
00:26:49,774 --> 00:26:51,484
I go, "Man. This is ridiculous."

451
00:26:51,568 --> 00:26:54,696
"Who wants to go to prison
for this little bitty kibbles and bits?"

452
00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:01,369
In the early 1990s,
I arrested my first bank robber,

453
00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:04,831
{\an8}and I thought, "Shit,
this is like shooting fish in a pond."

454
00:27:04,914 --> 00:27:07,542
{\an8}I don't mean to say it
in a braggadocios manner,

455
00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:10,670
but within a period of five or six months,

456
00:27:10,754 --> 00:27:14,799
I had cleared close to 80 cases,
and it became very addictive.

457
00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:20,263
I was subsequently assigned
to the FBI's violent crime task force.

458
00:27:21,056 --> 00:27:22,515
Hollywood flew under the radar

459
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:25,310
for the first couple of robberies
because of the low take.

460
00:27:25,393 --> 00:27:27,937
When a suspect gets on top of the counter
and dances around

461
00:27:28,021 --> 00:27:29,939
and tries to get command and control,

462
00:27:30,023 --> 00:27:33,151
and you have to carjack
an old man for his Cadillac,

463
00:27:33,234 --> 00:27:35,570
it showed that these guys
were bumbling idiots.

464
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:39,866
They probably started to ask themselves,
"Hey, what are we doing wrong here?"

465
00:27:41,201 --> 00:27:46,081
{\an8}I said, "Scott, I'm not gonna
do this for 10, 15, 20 thousand dollars."

466
00:27:46,164 --> 00:27:47,290
"It's stupid."

467
00:27:47,374 --> 00:27:50,168
"We either do this right,
and we either go for the vault,

468
00:27:50,251 --> 00:27:51,378
or I don't do it anymore."

469
00:27:51,461 --> 00:27:53,296
"I don't wanna be messed up
in this nonsense."

470
00:27:53,963 --> 00:27:56,803
He goes, "We can't do the vault
'cause I don't have enough information."

471
00:27:56,883 --> 00:27:59,010
So he hired Mustang.

472
00:27:59,886 --> 00:28:04,391
Mustang was a special young woman.
I've never quite met a woman like her.

473
00:28:07,102 --> 00:28:10,480
She was hired
to work in the Seafirst Bank as a teller.

474
00:28:11,439 --> 00:28:14,609
She got the manuals
and she got all of the bank protocol

475
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:18,697
for teller stations, for the vaults,
the armored car deliveries.

476
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:23,243
Once we had
all the inside information from Mustang,

477
00:28:23,326 --> 00:28:25,245
we knew we could do what we needed to do.

478
00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:39,259
We learned from the protocol
what to say.

479
00:28:40,844 --> 00:28:43,096
This is real. This is a robbery.

480
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,474
There's certain terminology
you use to the bankers,

481
00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:50,061
and when they hear that terminology,
they know you know what's going on.

482
00:28:51,604 --> 00:28:52,814
Who's the vault teller?

483
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:54,690
That's me.

484
00:28:56,484 --> 00:28:58,278
This was the phenomenon of Scott.

485
00:28:58,903 --> 00:29:00,613
He could control the lobby

486
00:29:00,697 --> 00:29:03,366
and still deal with the vault
at the same time.

487
00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:09,288
Quickly.

488
00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:15,462
He wants them to be calm.

489
00:29:15,545 --> 00:29:17,589
"Go over there. Just open the vault."

490
00:29:17,672 --> 00:29:20,425
"There's no problem.
Don't worry. Everything will be fine."

491
00:29:20,508 --> 00:29:22,177
"Just let me get in and get out."

492
00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:36,941
It's like he's going
into this catacomb of fantasy.

493
00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:49,370
Do you have another bag?

494
00:29:53,124 --> 00:29:55,710
Everyone on the floor. Let's go!

495
00:30:00,381 --> 00:30:03,676
When we got home,
we drove into the back of the studio.

496
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,846
I said, "How'd you do?" And he says,
"Oh, man, it wasn't... Not good."

497
00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:09,432
"It was another bad one."
I go, "Oh, fuck me, man."

498
00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:10,767
"What, are you kidding me?"

499
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:12,936
And we get in
and he dumps out this big bag.

500
00:30:13,019 --> 00:30:14,622
And it's just like... And I go, "Oh, man."

501
00:30:18,566 --> 00:30:21,694
That was the biggest haul.
It was the game changer.

502
00:30:22,695 --> 00:30:24,781
Not only for us, but for the FBI.

503
00:30:29,577 --> 00:30:31,454
I began with the FBI in 1987.

504
00:30:32,038 --> 00:30:34,290
By the time
of the Hollywood investigation,

505
00:30:34,374 --> 00:30:37,418
I was the most experienced agent
in the Seattle division

506
00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:38,670
working bank robberies.

507
00:30:39,879 --> 00:30:44,217
I'm trying to recall the cases I worked
where somebody did what Hollywood did,

508
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:45,885
from doing teller drawers

509
00:30:45,969 --> 00:30:49,639
to doing armed takeovers
to doing vault takeovers.

510
00:30:50,223 --> 00:30:53,893
I can't think of anyone else
that took that route.

511
00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:58,731
The Hollywood investigation
was similar to a jigsaw puzzle.

512
00:30:58,815 --> 00:31:00,942
We had little clues here,
little clues here.

513
00:31:01,025 --> 00:31:02,735
Starting to put the big picture together.

514
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:05,989
I think Hollywood
was enjoying what he did.

515
00:31:06,906 --> 00:31:10,118
First four robberies,
he got more than the average bank robber.

516
00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:14,205
But then he started going into the vaults.

517
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:17,417
Doing vault robberies on your own
is very risky,

518
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,962
because you have no idea
what's happening in the rest of the bank.

519
00:31:21,045 --> 00:31:24,799
It's more exposure.
It's more potential for alarms going off.

520
00:31:25,925 --> 00:31:29,512
At that point in time,
his level of sophistication went up.

521
00:31:30,179 --> 00:31:31,179
The threat went up.

522
00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:34,976
It was a challenge to him,
and he wanted to challenge us.

523
00:31:35,643 --> 00:31:37,729
But the big picture here was what?

524
00:31:37,812 --> 00:31:40,857
It was, "Who is Hollywood?
Who is Hollywood?"

525
00:31:43,151 --> 00:31:46,738
- All right. You ready?
- Welcome to the Treehouse. Come right in.

526
00:31:49,157 --> 00:31:51,784
My parents
were totally in awe of the Treehouse

527
00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:54,621
because my dad loved building things.

528
00:31:55,705 --> 00:31:58,207
This is going to be
the dining room.

529
00:31:58,291 --> 00:31:59,125
Yup.

530
00:31:59,208 --> 00:32:02,503
It was one
of the most remarkable edifices ever.

531
00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:08,593
So they were in awe of who Scotty was
and what he had done in that arena.

532
00:32:11,179 --> 00:32:13,348
We grew up in a loving household.

533
00:32:13,431 --> 00:32:17,352
My father was a minister,
a very well-loved minister.

534
00:32:17,435 --> 00:32:20,730
My mother was a teacher
of learning disabled children.

535
00:32:22,398 --> 00:32:26,486
We were preacher's kids, and darn it,
from a very young age,

536
00:32:26,569 --> 00:32:29,614
we were gonna prove to everybody
that we're not goody-two-shoes.

537
00:32:30,281 --> 00:32:33,993
Both of us were very adventurous.
That's what made us friends.

538
00:32:34,077 --> 00:32:37,872
He had a different quality,
a fearlessness.

539
00:32:38,665 --> 00:32:41,834
There were showroom houses
all around Reston, Virginia.

540
00:32:42,335 --> 00:32:44,712
We knew how to get into all of them.

541
00:32:45,588 --> 00:32:49,300
Scotty and I both learned
how to pick locks.

542
00:32:49,384 --> 00:32:52,428
We did not learn to pick locks
to steal anything.

543
00:32:52,512 --> 00:32:54,555
We learned how to pick locks

544
00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:57,308
so we could get
to the other side of the door.

545
00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:02,313
As he grew older
into his teen years,

546
00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:04,732
he became more and more
and more secretive.

547
00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:07,568
And we used to call him
the master of disinformation

548
00:33:07,652 --> 00:33:09,988
because he wouldn't outright lie to you,

549
00:33:10,071 --> 00:33:14,909
but he would tell you something
that you knew wasn't quite right

550
00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:16,494
or he would leave something out.

551
00:33:18,579 --> 00:33:22,250
When he first started to do crazy stuff,

552
00:33:22,333 --> 00:33:26,462
one of the things he did,
and I think he was 15, maybe 16,

553
00:33:26,546 --> 00:33:29,841
was that he and this friend stole a car,

554
00:33:29,924 --> 00:33:32,885
a van I believe,
from a local day care center,

555
00:33:32,969 --> 00:33:35,179
and drove it to the beach,
and they got caught.

556
00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:39,851
And I think that was
a big break for my father,

557
00:33:39,934 --> 00:33:42,520
because he realized with that event

558
00:33:42,603 --> 00:33:45,189
that something
had really gone south in Scotty.

559
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,239
He grew up and didn't outgrow the behavior
that we had as kids or adolescents.

560
00:33:53,906 --> 00:33:56,284
He just sort of refined it
and kept right on going.

561
00:33:57,410 --> 00:34:00,079
Everything with Scott
was a stepping stone.

562
00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:04,333
The Hawthorne Hills Bank
was the opening of a new world for us.

563
00:34:05,251 --> 00:34:07,670
{\an8}Once you enter the vaults,
you're on another level.

564
00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:10,256
{\an8}At this point,

565
00:34:10,339 --> 00:34:13,551
{\an8}when we would intentionally
leave a vehicle for the cops,

566
00:34:13,634 --> 00:34:15,344
{\an8}we would make sure we hired a person,

567
00:34:15,428 --> 00:34:19,474
{\an8}either a woman or some guy
that looked totally different from us,

568
00:34:19,557 --> 00:34:23,561
{\an8}maybe he'd be 6 ft. 3 in.
and long, scraggly hair or whatever,

569
00:34:24,228 --> 00:34:25,646
{\an8}give him $1,000,

570
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:28,983
{\an8}he would go purchase the car,
drive it to me, and I would take it.

571
00:34:31,611 --> 00:34:34,197
{\an8}We sanitized them with mineral spirits.

572
00:34:34,947 --> 00:34:39,202
{\an8}We would get female hair
and put that in the back seat.

573
00:34:39,285 --> 00:34:41,996
{\an8}Tried to make it
always as confusing as possible.

574
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,165
Sometimes there were multiple roads

575
00:34:44,248 --> 00:34:46,459
leading to the bank
where police would be coming,

576
00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:49,003
so we would hire somebody as a lookout.

577
00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:53,591
My role, only two occasions I did,
uh, was to be a point man.

578
00:34:53,674 --> 00:34:56,761
He gave me a radio, told me to park here.

579
00:34:57,345 --> 00:35:00,014
When you see the police coming,
just say, "Mama's coming."

580
00:35:00,973 --> 00:35:02,225
That's all you gotta do.

581
00:35:02,308 --> 00:35:04,936
There was no hesitation on my part
to help Scott out.

582
00:35:05,019 --> 00:35:07,480
You know,
it was just a thing among friends.

583
00:35:08,064 --> 00:35:11,859
One of Scott's main methodologies
was to repeat robbing the same bank.

584
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,612
Nobody's gonna believe
that you're gonna come right back

585
00:35:14,695 --> 00:35:17,073
and do the same thing again
within a few days.

586
00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:23,704
The first thing we'd do,
we'd dump all the money out

587
00:35:23,788 --> 00:35:26,833
and then we would go through
with ultraviolet lights

588
00:35:26,916 --> 00:35:29,001
any money that looked like
it might be marked.

589
00:35:29,502 --> 00:35:30,837
New money was the most dangerous

590
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,091
'cause you have sequential serial numbers,
so we would scatter those around.

591
00:35:36,342 --> 00:35:40,263
We would lock up all of the equipment
in military canisters

592
00:35:40,346 --> 00:35:42,181
that we would bury in the ground.

593
00:35:42,265 --> 00:35:44,517
Then we took the clothes
back into the forest

594
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,769
and we had a pit
where we burned everything.

595
00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:49,355
After that, I had to go launder the money.

596
00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:53,943
Scott did a lot of sportsbook gambling.

597
00:35:54,026 --> 00:35:56,737
And the laundering of the money,
he thought of that.

598
00:35:56,821 --> 00:35:59,407
That was his creation.
It's an ingenious creation.

599
00:36:01,075 --> 00:36:03,828
You place the same amount of money
on both teams that are playing

600
00:36:03,911 --> 00:36:05,580
at two different casinos,

601
00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:07,915
and one of the teams is gonna win.

602
00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:11,294
So you end up getting back all your money

603
00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:13,796
except for what the house receives
on the losing team,

604
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,922
which is 5%.

605
00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:17,925
We weren't losing anything, really.

606
00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:21,846
Scott did a lot with his money

607
00:36:21,929 --> 00:36:24,390
and he just lived his life
the way he wanted to live it.

608
00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:30,897
Travel, seeing the world,
meeting different people.

609
00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:32,023
That's what he loved.

610
00:36:33,232 --> 00:36:36,068
<i>I have been realizing lately
the virtues of traveling alone.</i>

611
00:36:37,153 --> 00:36:39,989
<i>All my wildest experiences
have happened while I'm alone.</i>

612
00:36:40,907 --> 00:36:43,034
Scott was definitely
a man of mystery.

613
00:36:43,576 --> 00:36:45,244
He would disappear for a while.

614
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:49,874
One time I thought maybe he was CIA.
Maybe he was a pot grower.

615
00:36:52,376 --> 00:36:54,587
I never really asked him
what he did for money.

616
00:36:55,963 --> 00:36:59,967
He must be a contractor. I don't know.
That's why he was so handy building.

617
00:37:04,972 --> 00:37:09,143
I found out that he was really interested
in stopping the logging of the forest.

618
00:37:10,311 --> 00:37:11,938
He worked with Earth First,

619
00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:14,857
and he would give donation money
to these environmentalists.

620
00:37:14,941 --> 00:37:18,361
And I said, "Why do you do that, Scott?
Why waste money on these hippies?"

621
00:37:18,945 --> 00:37:22,823
Scott did view himself
as a Robin Hood figure.

622
00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:26,410
And I think it was, uh, evident
in the way he acquired the money

623
00:37:26,494 --> 00:37:28,496
and then also the way he dispersed it.

624
00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:32,643
In terms of him being
a Robin Hood figure, I know that was true.

625
00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:35,586
He gave money to me. He gave money
to other people and other things.

626
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:37,296
I saw him give money away.

627
00:37:38,214 --> 00:37:39,382
He helped people.

628
00:37:39,465 --> 00:37:43,135
They needed something, he'd give them
a few thousand dollars for whatever.

629
00:37:43,636 --> 00:37:45,012
He spread the money around.

630
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:48,260
It's a funny relationship
you have with money.

631
00:37:48,307 --> 00:37:50,685
You didn't earn it.
You stole it. You took it.

632
00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:52,728
Spend it freely, and then go get more.

633
00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:53,854
Mmm, mmm.

634
00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:55,523
He wasn't Robin Hood.

635
00:37:55,606 --> 00:37:57,400
If you look at Robin Hood,
it was idealistic.

636
00:37:57,483 --> 00:38:00,361
He stole from the rich and gave,
you know, all of that nonsense.

637
00:38:00,444 --> 00:38:01,737
And Scott wasn't like that.

638
00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:03,614
He helped people that he knew

639
00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:06,284
if he needed something
in the future to be done,

640
00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:08,786
he could call on them
and they would do it.

641
00:38:18,796 --> 00:38:21,674
Regardless
of how successful it all was,

642
00:38:21,757 --> 00:38:24,302
there's a certain point
where you're challenging fate

643
00:38:24,385 --> 00:38:28,014
and it doesn't always turn out
the way you want it to turn out.

644
00:38:29,849 --> 00:38:31,600
{\an8}One robbery we had to abort

645
00:38:31,684 --> 00:38:34,437
{\an8}because a customer recognized him
as he was walking in.

646
00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:39,483
{\an8}I got the dispatch call,
and I had to call him out.

647
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:42,737
<i>We're out.
Let's go, let's go.</i>

648
00:38:43,612 --> 00:38:46,324
{\an8}For the next one,
as soon as he got in his getaway car,

649
00:38:46,407 --> 00:38:49,785
{\an8}the dye pack blew up
and he threw that whole thing out.

650
00:38:54,582 --> 00:38:57,752
{\an8}We found the vehicle
just blocks away from the bank.

651
00:38:58,919 --> 00:39:02,340
I sat in that station wagon
at the scene for a couple of minutes,

652
00:39:02,423 --> 00:39:03,758
just absorbing that.

653
00:39:04,675 --> 00:39:07,511
That was the closest
I had come to him at that point in time,

654
00:39:07,595 --> 00:39:10,389
sitting in that car
waiting for the next robbery to happen.

655
00:39:11,807 --> 00:39:13,601
We were able to trace it
to previous owners.

656
00:39:14,643 --> 00:39:17,438
Through that, we were able
to develop composite sketches

657
00:39:17,521 --> 00:39:19,857
of individuals who had bought cars.

658
00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:22,735
We had a police profiler come in

659
00:39:22,818 --> 00:39:25,363
and brief all of the people
that were working on the case

660
00:39:25,446 --> 00:39:27,531
who suggested
that he might be a police officer.

661
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:32,745
We thought that because of the skill
that he had when he was robbing banks.

662
00:39:32,828 --> 00:39:35,581
There was suspicion
that Detective Magan had

663
00:39:35,664 --> 00:39:37,958
that Hollywood might be a police officer.

664
00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:41,670
Shawn Johnson had the belief
that Hollywood could be a police officer.

665
00:39:42,254 --> 00:39:44,840
Did I believe he was a police officer? No.

666
00:39:44,924 --> 00:39:46,842
I didn't buy that theory.

667
00:39:46,926 --> 00:39:48,135
We definitely considered it,

668
00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:50,721
and we thought that
that made him more dangerous.

669
00:39:51,514 --> 00:39:54,642
We wanted to get the word out
so we could solve this case.

670
00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:55,893
So we used the media,

671
00:39:55,976 --> 00:39:59,188
and that was part
of a very carefully laid-out plan.

672
00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:02,566
We told you about
a bank robber nicknamed Hollywood.

673
00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:05,694
He's number one
on the FBI's Most Wanted List.

674
00:40:05,778 --> 00:40:08,539
<i>Disguises are the reason
the FBI dubbed this man Hollywood.</i>

675
00:40:08,572 --> 00:40:10,741
<i>He's successfully hit
more than a dozen banks</i>

676
00:40:10,825 --> 00:40:12,034
<i>in the past four years.</i>

677
00:40:12,118 --> 00:40:14,495
It changed the story dramatically

678
00:40:14,578 --> 00:40:17,123
when the FBI came out
with this nickname of Hollywood,

679
00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:21,001
because we knew that they were having
a hard time tracking this guy,

680
00:40:21,085 --> 00:40:22,503
and it seemed to be on a cycle.

681
00:40:22,586 --> 00:40:24,880
Like every six months,
a bank was being hit,

682
00:40:24,964 --> 00:40:26,882
and it became, "Was this Hollywood again?"

683
00:40:26,966 --> 00:40:29,176
<i>FBI agent
Shawn Johnson's mission</i>

684
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:31,846
<i>is to find anyone
who knows anything about Hollywood.</i>

685
00:40:31,929 --> 00:40:35,391
I think initially,
we'll start off, uh, door-to-door,

686
00:40:35,474 --> 00:40:37,393
half of us on one side, half on the other.

687
00:40:37,476 --> 00:40:40,813
You didn't usually see
an FBI agent walk into a neighborhood

688
00:40:40,896 --> 00:40:43,774
and say, "Can you tell me anything
about this bank robbery?"

689
00:40:43,858 --> 00:40:48,404
That was wild, to see an agent,
you know, being so open.

690
00:40:48,487 --> 00:40:51,615
Also a clue that they had no clue.

691
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:56,537
Maybe I wanted him to know
that I was there, you know?

692
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:59,707
I was there too. So here's me on TV.

693
00:41:02,251 --> 00:41:04,712
Most suspects followed their media.

694
00:41:04,795 --> 00:41:07,673
In fact, I think they actually loved it.

695
00:41:07,756 --> 00:41:09,596
{\an8}The first time
we heard about Hollywood

696
00:41:09,633 --> 00:41:11,886
was from the two-page article
with Shawn Johnson.

697
00:41:11,969 --> 00:41:12,803
He was saying,

698
00:41:12,887 --> 00:41:15,447
"Somebody out there knows who this man is
and we need your help."

699
00:41:15,473 --> 00:41:19,560
<i>- His nickname is Hollywood.
- Hollywood wears makeup...</i>

700
00:41:19,643 --> 00:41:21,896
That name
influenced him immensely.

701
00:41:21,979 --> 00:41:23,606
I think it built him up even more.

702
00:41:23,689 --> 00:41:24,773
I think it excited him,

703
00:41:24,857 --> 00:41:28,569
without him saying it or acknowledging it,
but I know his personality.

704
00:41:28,652 --> 00:41:29,862
Deep inside, he was proud.

705
00:41:29,945 --> 00:41:33,699
We thought he would rob again
if he was getting so much attention.

706
00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:44,335
Each robbery was an opportunity
to try something new.

707
00:41:45,753 --> 00:41:50,007
For the getaways, we would try to figure
out what the FBI would expect us to do,

708
00:41:50,090 --> 00:41:51,884
and then we would just do the opposite.

709
00:41:52,468 --> 00:41:54,637
For the bank we wanted to do, to get away,

710
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,515
you either go down Madison
toward the police coming in,

711
00:41:57,598 --> 00:41:59,975
or you have to go all around the lake.

712
00:42:00,476 --> 00:42:03,187
So I said, "Why don't you get into the van
and just stay there?"

713
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:04,813
"And I'll go to a restaurant,

714
00:42:04,897 --> 00:42:07,066
and I'll sit and wait for the heat to go."

715
00:42:07,149 --> 00:42:09,735
"When the police are gone,
I'll get back out in my car,

716
00:42:09,818 --> 00:42:12,780
and I'll radio you and let you know,
uh, that it's clear to come out."

717
00:42:14,615 --> 00:42:17,826
{\an8}He had a van and we had it retrofitted
so he could get under the floor.

718
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:20,538
So if they shined lights in there,
they couldn't see him.

719
00:42:24,124 --> 00:42:26,252
I told Scott, I said,
"Man, this is gonna be big."

720
00:42:26,752 --> 00:42:28,212
"I just had a dream last night."

721
00:42:28,295 --> 00:42:30,357
"We're gonna have
over a quarter of a million dollars

722
00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:32,299
and you're gonna get out safely."

723
00:42:32,383 --> 00:42:33,592
"It's not gonna be a problem."

724
00:42:45,271 --> 00:42:48,899
{\an8}It was a good 45 minutes
I was in the restaurant.

725
00:42:50,276 --> 00:42:52,278
{\an8}There was four or five cop cars out there,

726
00:42:52,361 --> 00:42:54,029
{\an8}and I could just look out the window

727
00:42:54,113 --> 00:42:56,657
and see when it was dispersed
and finished.

728
00:42:57,324 --> 00:43:01,453
{\an8}I arrive at the scene and I'm thinking,

729
00:43:02,454 --> 00:43:07,042
"Is this guy some kind of a ghost?
How does he just slip away like that?"

730
00:43:12,047 --> 00:43:14,383
{\an8}One thing he discovered
while he was in the van

731
00:43:14,466 --> 00:43:16,468
{\an8}was the condensation from his breathing.

732
00:43:17,636 --> 00:43:18,804
{\an8}If the police had been aware,

733
00:43:18,887 --> 00:43:21,473
{\an8}they would see that
and think there was someone in there.

734
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:25,060
I went over
to a wine shop across the street

735
00:43:25,144 --> 00:43:27,980
and when I came out of the wine shop,
they had all gone.

736
00:43:28,063 --> 00:43:29,440
And I went to the car

737
00:43:29,523 --> 00:43:32,484
and I got my radio out
and I radioed Scott,

738
00:43:32,568 --> 00:43:34,028
and I said, "Boss, let's go."

739
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:44,455
It was this cat and mouse game.

740
00:43:44,538 --> 00:43:47,875
It was clear that police
and law enforcement were frustrated.

741
00:43:47,958 --> 00:43:50,336
They couldn't figure out
who this person was.

742
00:43:50,419 --> 00:43:52,254
What everyone
seems to remember

743
00:43:52,338 --> 00:43:55,090
is how he orders people around
and threatens to shoot them.

744
00:43:55,174 --> 00:43:56,925
<i>FBI agents are frustrated</i>

745
00:43:57,009 --> 00:44:00,262
<i>that Hollywood has been able
to get away with so much for so long.</i>

746
00:44:00,846 --> 00:44:03,724
<i>They fear that he will turn violent
before he's caught.</i>

747
00:44:03,807 --> 00:44:06,644
I think that's what changed
the Hollywood story,

748
00:44:06,727 --> 00:44:09,605
is that, until we started
to hear from the tellers

749
00:44:09,688 --> 00:44:12,816
who told these horrifying stories,
he hadn't hurt anybody.

750
00:44:14,401 --> 00:44:18,113
He got more desperate sometimes.
He tried to get in the vault.

751
00:44:18,197 --> 00:44:21,283
The vault tellers weren't there
to let him in, he got real upset.

752
00:44:21,367 --> 00:44:23,567
He said, "It's Christmas.
I don't want to kill anybody,"

753
00:44:23,619 --> 00:44:25,579
and used a stun gun
on one of the employees.

754
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,915
So he was willing to use weapons.

755
00:44:28,999 --> 00:44:31,126
I've seen people crying.

756
00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:34,296
I mean, just very emotional,
and you're trying to get to the point

757
00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:38,008
where you calm them down a bit
to... to talk to them, what happened.

758
00:44:38,092 --> 00:44:42,179
It was unlike any robbery that any of them
had ever gone through before.

759
00:44:42,262 --> 00:44:45,015
{\an8}We could not tell
from one second to the next

760
00:44:45,099 --> 00:44:46,558
{\an8}what he was likely to do.

761
00:44:46,642 --> 00:44:48,894
{\an8}He was extremely threatening.

762
00:44:49,478 --> 00:44:52,064
Bank robbery
is not a victimless crime.

763
00:44:52,606 --> 00:44:55,234
The people that are
in the bank are traumatized,

764
00:44:55,317 --> 00:44:57,403
tellers are traumatized.

765
00:44:57,486 --> 00:45:01,907
When you have a gun pointed at your face,
where people threaten to kill you,

766
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:04,368
these take a toll on human beings.

767
00:45:04,451 --> 00:45:06,787
I've been robbed 14 times,

768
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:09,665
and one of those
was the Hollywood bank robber.

769
00:45:10,207 --> 00:45:12,459
He commanded this presence,

770
00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:16,547
and he told everyone to freeze
and everyone froze.

771
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:20,134
It's unusual for a robber
to have that much control.

772
00:45:20,676 --> 00:45:22,678
It doesn't ever leave you.

773
00:45:23,178 --> 00:45:27,891
You can go on with your life,
but it doesn't ever leave you. Ever.

774
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,788
{\an8}There's got to be something
more that we can do to stop these people.

775
00:45:31,812 --> 00:45:33,480
{\an8}Somebody's going to get hurt.

776
00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:37,067
He thought that he was
just having the greatest time,

777
00:45:37,151 --> 00:45:38,444
living his best life.

778
00:45:40,446 --> 00:45:43,741
But for him to think
that he was gonna get away with this

779
00:45:44,241 --> 00:45:45,701
was just a false premise.

780
00:45:47,995 --> 00:45:50,080
When you step
into the world we were living,

781
00:45:50,164 --> 00:45:52,666
you have no idea
the toll it's gonna bring upon you.

782
00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:53,750
It's impossible.

783
00:45:55,377 --> 00:45:57,629
After so many years of bank robberies,

784
00:45:57,713 --> 00:46:01,175
you are no longer the same person
that you were before you began.

785
00:46:03,177 --> 00:46:05,721
Scott started to get stressed.

786
00:46:06,221 --> 00:46:09,892
He was no longer
the casual, happy-go-lucky person.

787
00:46:09,975 --> 00:46:11,101
That person was gone.

788
00:46:12,603 --> 00:46:14,938
The vibe
around the Treehouse changed.

789
00:46:15,022 --> 00:46:20,444
He became more closed off,
and more isolated, and way less social.

790
00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:24,740
Scott had me
live up at the front house

791
00:46:24,823 --> 00:46:26,116
to keep people out of there.

792
00:46:26,617 --> 00:46:29,870
More and more,
his life was becoming secretive

793
00:46:29,953 --> 00:46:31,497
and he needed to have people away.

794
00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:33,874
He didn't want people around,
seeing what he was doing.

795
00:46:36,668 --> 00:46:40,964
{\an8}Once you do cross the Rubicon
and start living that life,

796
00:46:41,048 --> 00:46:44,510
{\an8}you have to lie
to everybody about everything.

797
00:46:44,593 --> 00:46:47,596
Everybody you care about.
Everybody you meet.

798
00:46:49,306 --> 00:46:51,183
<i>I keep going
in the wrong direction.</i>

799
00:46:51,934 --> 00:46:55,229
<i>I start things and then stop
before the great benefit can be gotten.</i>

800
00:46:55,729 --> 00:46:57,898
<i>Many females have felt
my no-follow-through.</i>

801
00:46:59,233 --> 00:47:03,070
<i>Do I just want to want?
Is that why I get no satisfaction?</i>

802
00:47:04,154 --> 00:47:08,116
I one time kidded with him
when I'd observe him with certain women.

803
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,245
I'd say, "What do you do? Treat women
like condiments? Give me a break."

804
00:47:12,246 --> 00:47:14,957
Is he single or what?
You got women in your bed?

805
00:47:16,375 --> 00:47:18,215
<i>Things don't compute
like they used to.</i>

806
00:47:18,669 --> 00:47:21,338
<i>I usually feel free and secure
about my plans in life,</i>

807
00:47:22,381 --> 00:47:25,259
<i>but now I'm beginning to feel captured.</i>

808
00:47:26,009 --> 00:47:27,010
Cheers!

809
00:47:27,094 --> 00:47:30,597
He showed up at the door,
"Gotta talk to you."

810
00:47:31,348 --> 00:47:34,017
And as we're sitting there,
he's sitting across from me

811
00:47:34,101 --> 00:47:37,020
and he just starts to cry,
like tears streaming down his face.

812
00:47:37,104 --> 00:47:40,357
And he says,
"Suze, I don't know what's going on."

813
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,069
"But when I look in the mirror,
the face looking back at me isn't my own."

814
00:47:44,152 --> 00:47:45,404
"What is that?"

815
00:47:46,488 --> 00:47:48,740
I knew at that point
he was really in trouble.

816
00:47:49,366 --> 00:47:53,704
This light and dark tussle in him,
he was losing the battle.

817
00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:58,709
He started drinking more and more
and more to subdue the anxieties.

818
00:47:59,251 --> 00:48:02,296
But Scott wanted one final act,

819
00:48:02,379 --> 00:48:03,964
and that was three or four banks,

820
00:48:04,047 --> 00:48:06,300
one right after the other
in the same evening.

821
00:48:06,884 --> 00:48:09,678
We get 10 to 15 million dollars
and we call it a day.

822
00:48:09,761 --> 00:48:12,014
I go about my business,
you go about yours.

823
00:48:13,515 --> 00:48:15,183
We had three banks figured out.

824
00:48:16,852 --> 00:48:20,022
First, you hit a small bank,
go in and get out,

825
00:48:20,105 --> 00:48:21,523
and you don't care about the money.

826
00:48:21,607 --> 00:48:24,735
You just care about
diverting the police to that small bank.

827
00:48:24,818 --> 00:48:26,570
Then you go back and hit a bigger bank.

828
00:48:27,070 --> 00:48:29,197
Then by the time they get there,
there's a third one.

829
00:48:29,281 --> 00:48:30,657
I mean, what are they gonna do?

830
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,036
We wanted to decimate the city of Seattle,

831
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,747
and it was not only doable,
it was winnable.

832
00:48:39,625 --> 00:48:42,711
I was getting a bit frustrated
during this investigation.

833
00:48:42,794 --> 00:48:45,075
We had come up with
a couple of getaway vehicles and such,

834
00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:47,382
but it was getting close
but not close enough.

835
00:48:48,508 --> 00:48:51,887
I got tired of waiting,
just reacting to his bank robberies.

836
00:48:53,305 --> 00:48:55,641
I started digging back through the files,

837
00:48:55,724 --> 00:48:57,976
back through the MO,

838
00:48:58,477 --> 00:49:00,479
the time of day, the day of the week,

839
00:49:00,562 --> 00:49:03,607
location of the banks,
how much money he was taking.

840
00:49:04,691 --> 00:49:06,068
I knew he had an ego.

841
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:09,196
That's why I knew he was gonna come back
at some point in time.

842
00:49:10,572 --> 00:49:12,240
I sat down and did the math,

843
00:49:13,158 --> 00:49:17,829
figured out that he was going through
approximately $21,000 a month.

844
00:49:19,498 --> 00:49:20,666
So with that in mind,

845
00:49:20,749 --> 00:49:24,044
I predicted that he was going to hit
one of three days

846
00:49:24,127 --> 00:49:25,629
the following year in January.

847
00:49:27,673 --> 00:49:29,174
I knew that he would be back.

848
00:49:29,257 --> 00:49:32,010
Certain locations I thought
were likely targets.

849
00:49:33,011 --> 00:49:34,972
It was a waiting game
for them to come back,

850
00:49:35,055 --> 00:49:37,391
and that we were in the right spot
at the right time.

851
00:49:43,063 --> 00:49:45,691
After the last big robbery,
we took a year off.

852
00:49:46,775 --> 00:49:49,111
We were finally planning
to take down three banks,

853
00:49:49,194 --> 00:49:50,904
but we needed another person

854
00:49:50,988 --> 00:49:54,116
because of the logistics
of taking down these banks.

855
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,560
After the first bank robbery,

856
00:49:59,621 --> 00:50:02,749
I went right to Montana
and was hiding out there

857
00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:06,169
and then Scott showed up
and drew me back into it.

858
00:50:07,045 --> 00:50:09,589
Scott's been going
into the banks by himself,

859
00:50:09,673 --> 00:50:12,509
and he was having trouble
with crowd control.

860
00:50:12,592 --> 00:50:15,345
So he told me, "All you have to do
is stand in the lobby."

861
00:50:15,429 --> 00:50:17,931
"Make sure nobody leaves.
That's all you gotta do."

862
00:50:20,058 --> 00:50:22,310
A year had passed
since I made those predictions

863
00:50:22,394 --> 00:50:24,271
on three days in January
that he was gonna hit.

864
00:50:24,354 --> 00:50:28,108
So myself and a task force member

865
00:50:28,191 --> 00:50:31,028
surveilled banks I figured
were logical targets for Hollywood.

866
00:50:31,695 --> 00:50:33,947
First day, nothing happens.

867
00:50:34,698 --> 00:50:37,367
Second day, nothing happened.

868
00:50:38,118 --> 00:50:41,204
The third day, I was out there
waiting for him by myself.

869
00:50:42,247 --> 00:50:44,291
With Mark back,
we decided to hit one bank,

870
00:50:44,374 --> 00:50:46,752
just to get the feel of it,
before we hit three.

871
00:50:49,504 --> 00:50:52,966
My second robbery
was so different than the first.

872
00:50:53,467 --> 00:50:55,594
More under control, went a lot smoother.

873
00:50:55,677 --> 00:50:58,013
It was more like a job than an adventure.

874
00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:06,605
I knew immediately
based on the description,

875
00:51:07,105 --> 00:51:08,398
"Oh shit, it's Hollywood."

876
00:51:08,982 --> 00:51:11,735
He's hitting another bank a mile up
from where I was waiting for him.

877
00:51:11,818 --> 00:51:15,197
He came back just as I said.
He came back the third day.

878
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:20,535
I was getting closer and I felt like,
"I'm just a couple of minutes behind you."

879
00:51:20,619 --> 00:51:23,413
"Not months, not weeks.
Just a few minutes behind you now."

880
00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:28,585
I proceeded up to the bank.
We had secured the scene.

881
00:51:29,294 --> 00:51:32,297
I was the first follow-up person
at the scene.

882
00:51:33,048 --> 00:51:35,842
And I get to the bank
and I'm looking at Shawn Johnson,

883
00:51:35,926 --> 00:51:37,886
like, "How did you get here so fast?"

884
00:51:37,969 --> 00:51:41,723
And I found out
that he and FBI agents only

885
00:51:41,807 --> 00:51:45,435
were running their own surveillance
looking for Hollywood.

886
00:51:45,977 --> 00:51:48,939
He cut everybody else out
on the task force.

887
00:51:49,022 --> 00:51:53,068
Other task force officers decided
that what I was doing was crazy.

888
00:51:53,151 --> 00:51:55,151
"He's not gonna come back.
He's not gonna be here."

889
00:51:55,821 --> 00:51:59,157
I remember how
that kind of ramped up everybody's energy

890
00:51:59,241 --> 00:52:00,617
to work this case,

891
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:04,037
'cause it had been some gap
since his previous robbery.

892
00:52:04,121 --> 00:52:06,581
Everybody on the task force
thought at that point

893
00:52:06,665 --> 00:52:09,835
that something bad
was definitely gonna happen.

894
00:52:10,335 --> 00:52:12,420
And to Ellen's credit,

895
00:52:12,504 --> 00:52:16,341
she saw that this case
was spinning a little bit out of control,

896
00:52:16,424 --> 00:52:18,677
and we needed to put an end to it.

897
00:52:23,265 --> 00:52:25,100
Hollywood was kind of predictable

898
00:52:25,183 --> 00:52:28,061
in terms of the times of day
and where he would rob.

899
00:52:28,645 --> 00:52:30,939
We hatched a plan to do surveillances,

900
00:52:31,022 --> 00:52:34,192
hoping that one of our guys
would be out on the street

901
00:52:34,276 --> 00:52:35,694
when he robbed a bank.

902
00:52:35,777 --> 00:52:39,906
We needed the Seattle Police Department.
We needed their special patrol unit.

903
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:42,033
We needed aerial resources.

904
00:52:42,117 --> 00:52:44,619
We added extra FBI resources.

905
00:52:44,703 --> 00:52:50,000
{\an8}To get all of that in line
was an absolutely Herculean effort.

906
00:52:50,083 --> 00:52:54,254
So we made a commitment
to bring all these resources together

907
00:52:54,337 --> 00:52:56,173
for an indefinite period.

908
00:52:59,384 --> 00:53:03,180
This was a time when
one of the new techniques was ProNet.

909
00:53:03,263 --> 00:53:08,268
It was using these electronic tracers
that were attached to money.

910
00:53:08,351 --> 00:53:10,312
They would shoot their signal to towers.

911
00:53:10,395 --> 00:53:14,191
And so then you had to have
a mechanism to follow the tags.

912
00:53:14,274 --> 00:53:16,484
So we had to put 'em
in a lot of police cars.

913
00:53:16,985 --> 00:53:20,280
I had to go back again
through the robberies to date

914
00:53:20,363 --> 00:53:23,033
to find out logical targets
that I would hit again

915
00:53:23,116 --> 00:53:24,910
to put devices into the banks.

916
00:53:25,744 --> 00:53:29,998
We put two of these electronic
tracers in as many banks as we could.

917
00:53:31,583 --> 00:53:33,585
Everything revolved around time.

918
00:53:34,085 --> 00:53:36,713
The more of these tracking devices
that were in the vault,

919
00:53:36,796 --> 00:53:39,132
the more time it allowed me to get there.

920
00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:42,594
{\an8}If it's between you
and some poor bastard

921
00:53:42,677 --> 00:53:44,804
{\an8}whose wife you're gonna turn into a widow,

922
00:53:46,056 --> 00:53:48,934
brother, you are going down.

923
00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:53,563
Scott and I had watched <i>Heat,</i>
which was a pretty intense movie.

924
00:53:56,524 --> 00:53:58,026
Don't move! Don't fucking move.

925
00:53:58,109 --> 00:54:01,279
The bank robbing scenes
in that movie are spot-on.

926
00:54:01,363 --> 00:54:05,700
And then the shootout
just scared the bejesus out of us.

927
00:54:08,995 --> 00:54:11,373
I remember Scott and I
looking at each other, just going,

928
00:54:11,456 --> 00:54:14,334
"Oh my goodness, what if that happened?"

929
00:54:17,712 --> 00:54:19,881
And that was the game we were playing.

930
00:54:21,007 --> 00:54:24,719
It was a real possibility,
which put the fear of God into us.

931
00:54:25,762 --> 00:54:27,222
Fear of our own mortality.

932
00:54:30,475 --> 00:54:32,978
Throughout my time working on this case,

933
00:54:33,061 --> 00:54:35,438
I always thought
there was a great possibility

934
00:54:35,522 --> 00:54:36,982
that someone could get hurt.

935
00:54:37,899 --> 00:54:41,361
I've been close
to other bank robberies before in the FBI

936
00:54:41,444 --> 00:54:44,322
where colleagues of mine were killed

937
00:54:44,406 --> 00:54:49,119
in a major shootout in Miami in 1986.

938
00:54:49,202 --> 00:54:51,538
<i>In a firefight
lasting over four minutes,</i>

939
00:54:51,621 --> 00:54:56,418
<i>two special agents of the FBI were slain
and five other agents were wounded.</i>

940
00:54:56,918 --> 00:55:00,046
We may not have known who Hollywood was,

941
00:55:00,130 --> 00:55:03,717
but what we did know is that
if we faced off with him in the street,

942
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,052
he would not go down without a fight.

943
00:55:12,017 --> 00:55:14,853
At some point
in the middle of everything,

944
00:55:14,936 --> 00:55:17,480
I had a very vivid dream.

945
00:55:18,106 --> 00:55:20,775
I was crawling up a beach from the water

946
00:55:20,859 --> 00:55:23,278
and a shark had just bitten
both of my legs off.

947
00:55:28,533 --> 00:55:30,535
I took the dream as advice.

948
00:55:31,161 --> 00:55:33,663
The advice was to get out of it.

949
00:55:35,373 --> 00:55:39,377
I could sense that Scott felt
that there was something looming.

950
00:55:41,504 --> 00:55:45,091
We took hikes up in the Olympics.
The Olympics were special to Scott.

951
00:55:46,384 --> 00:55:48,386
That was our time of peace.

952
00:55:49,304 --> 00:55:52,265
We cleared our mind of the city,
of the chaos,

953
00:55:52,349 --> 00:55:55,560
and we would go up there in nature
and we'd challenge ourselves.

954
00:55:57,103 --> 00:55:58,730
On the top of Mount Washington,

955
00:55:58,813 --> 00:56:02,776
Scott said to me, "Listen. No matter what,
let your own hand be the hand of fate,

956
00:56:02,859 --> 00:56:05,570
and never let your enemy
dictate your fate."

957
00:56:06,613 --> 00:56:09,949
"You make sure you're in control
of what you do with your life."

958
00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:13,536
One bank was not enough for Scott.

959
00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:15,163
He wanted to do three banks.

960
00:56:15,663 --> 00:56:17,207
I said, "You're nuts, man."

961
00:56:17,874 --> 00:56:19,793
I talked to Steve and I told him,

962
00:56:19,876 --> 00:56:23,004
"Listen, man. I think this guy
is getting out of hand here."

963
00:56:23,088 --> 00:56:26,591
"And I'm going to California
and I suggest you come with me."

964
00:56:26,674 --> 00:56:29,928
And he actually was thinking about it,

965
00:56:30,011 --> 00:56:32,013
except he didn't want to let Scott down.

966
00:56:33,056 --> 00:56:36,351
With the final robbery,
I knew I had to go through with it,

967
00:56:36,434 --> 00:56:39,854
because something had to culminate.
Something had to finalize itself.

968
00:56:41,815 --> 00:56:43,858
The last time that I saw Scott,

969
00:56:43,942 --> 00:56:45,944
I had this really bad dream.

970
00:56:47,570 --> 00:56:50,073
The dream involved guns, a shootout.

971
00:56:50,156 --> 00:56:52,659
It was in Seattle. People were running.

972
00:56:52,742 --> 00:56:56,621
And I'm telling him this dream
and he got all white.

973
00:56:57,956 --> 00:57:00,917
He took a big breath and says,
"You're probably not gonna see me again."

974
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,962
"I'm probably gonna go
to the Seychelle Islands."

975
00:57:04,045 --> 00:57:06,405
And I go, "Really?"
I said, "You're gonna come back, right?"

976
00:57:06,464 --> 00:57:08,967
He goes, "I don't think
you're gonna see me again."

977
00:57:13,721 --> 00:57:17,434
<i>I walk into the night and scream
at God to make his message known to me.</i>

978
00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:21,104
<i>God is not responding
and I sense rejection.</i>

979
00:57:22,313 --> 00:57:25,525
<i>It is a time of pain
and anger and resentment.</i>

980
00:57:26,484 --> 00:57:30,697
<i>Where the fuck do I go from here,
oh great winged white horseman in my mind?</i>

981
00:57:32,615 --> 00:57:34,826
<i>This will be the last entry
for a long time.</i>

982
00:57:41,249 --> 00:57:43,918
We prepared for years
to rob these banks.

983
00:57:44,711 --> 00:57:47,297
And about two weeks before Thanksgiving,

984
00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:49,674
Scott said there's good news and bad news.

985
00:57:50,258 --> 00:57:53,636
The bad news is that they now have
ProNet tags in the vault money.

986
00:57:54,554 --> 00:57:57,765
There is no way to beat the tags
in time to do our original plan.

987
00:57:58,725 --> 00:58:00,977
So we had to abandon
the multiple banks scenario.

988
00:58:02,228 --> 00:58:06,024
The good news is,
we take this bank up on 125th Street.

989
00:58:06,608 --> 00:58:08,526
Mustang told us that there should be

990
00:58:08,610 --> 00:58:10,904
five to seven million dollars
within the bank.

991
00:58:11,654 --> 00:58:13,698
So our whole game plan changed.

992
00:58:15,116 --> 00:58:18,620
But the tracers we had to figure out,
and we had to figure out quickly.

993
00:58:19,329 --> 00:58:22,248
We did a bank
just to see how we had to deal with it.

994
00:58:23,958 --> 00:58:26,503
We de-disguised Scott into a ski mask.

995
00:58:26,586 --> 00:58:29,631
We didn't want them to think
it was Hollywood taking out the tracers.

996
00:58:30,757 --> 00:58:34,719
And I said, "Listen, just go in there.
Don't even fuck around with the tellers."

997
00:58:36,012 --> 00:58:37,597
"Go into the vault, get the money,

998
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,682
and when you come out,
we'll have the tracers."

999
00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:42,769
"Then we'll find out
how they're planted in the money."

1000
00:58:44,771 --> 00:58:48,483
All of these tags
were put between $20 bills,

1001
00:58:48,566 --> 00:58:50,902
because you can fan it,
you can feel this lump.

1002
00:58:52,028 --> 00:58:55,782
In a very short time, we got two
that we discarded out the window.

1003
00:58:56,699 --> 00:58:57,779
And then after all of that,

1004
00:58:57,825 --> 00:59:00,745
we both felt comfortable and confident
that we could actually do it.

1005
00:59:14,092 --> 00:59:17,720
I woke up the morning
of Thanksgiving Eve 1996.

1006
00:59:18,221 --> 00:59:21,015
My wife says to me that morning
before I leave, "This is the day."

1007
00:59:21,099 --> 00:59:23,935
"This is the day.
You're catching Hollywood today."

1008
00:59:24,018 --> 00:59:27,522
And I'm thinking, "Well,
yeah, I... I don't know about that."

1009
00:59:27,605 --> 00:59:29,691
Thanksgiving week
was always a short week

1010
00:59:29,774 --> 00:59:32,277
and most of the people
aren't even in the office.

1011
00:59:33,611 --> 00:59:35,446
We wake up Thanksgiving Eve.

1012
00:59:35,530 --> 00:59:38,366
We look out the windows.
The rain was pounding.

1013
00:59:38,449 --> 00:59:40,827
It was gray and dark.
It was beautiful. Wonderful.

1014
00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:42,310
Perfect day for what we were doing.

1015
00:59:43,997 --> 00:59:47,250
I'm in there cleaning,
setting things up, making it perfect.

1016
00:59:48,167 --> 00:59:49,669
We go to the makeup room

1017
00:59:49,752 --> 00:59:52,505
and we put on
the prosthetic pieces and the wigs,

1018
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:54,507
and there wasn't really a lot said.

1019
00:59:55,717 --> 00:59:59,137
I walk into the studio.
Scott has the guitar case out.

1020
00:59:59,220 --> 01:00:02,849
He has his assault rifle out.
He has the shotgun out.

1021
01:00:03,516 --> 01:00:06,436
The idea was
that if a cop car came up on us,

1022
01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:10,440
we would grab the shotty,
jump out, and shoot out the engine,

1023
01:00:10,523 --> 01:00:12,233
and disable the cop car.

1024
01:00:13,651 --> 01:00:14,971
Everything was finalized.

1025
01:00:15,028 --> 01:00:17,780
We were ready to get in the van
and take off for Seattle.

1026
01:00:19,073 --> 01:00:22,035
We had Mustang as a lookout on the hill.

1027
01:00:22,827 --> 01:00:23,911
It's time to do it.

1028
01:00:31,002 --> 01:00:36,591
We had been trained specifically
on the Hollywood Bandit.

1029
01:00:37,216 --> 01:00:40,720
And when he walked
into the Lake City branch to rob us,

1030
01:00:40,803 --> 01:00:42,764
he walked right past his wanted poster.

1031
01:00:42,847 --> 01:00:44,515
Don't panic. This is a robbery.

1032
01:00:46,517 --> 01:00:50,563
Scott walks in first, sets
the motion of getting everybody in place,

1033
01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:52,023
and then Mark comes in,

1034
01:00:52,106 --> 01:00:54,567
and he starts
directing the patrons in there.

1035
01:00:55,068 --> 01:00:56,569
You're not even afraid.

1036
01:00:56,653 --> 01:00:59,155
You've rehearsed it in your mind
and you've done it before,

1037
01:00:59,238 --> 01:01:00,238
and so you do it.

1038
01:01:01,324 --> 01:01:05,036
My worst nightmare. Not one Hollywood,
but two, walk through the door.

1039
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:07,955
And shit just hit the fan.

1040
01:01:08,623 --> 01:01:12,460
So I started pulling up the bill trap,
which sets off an alarm.

1041
01:01:13,586 --> 01:01:14,754
Who's the vault teller?

1042
01:01:16,464 --> 01:01:17,799
So I said, "Well, that's me."

1043
01:01:18,633 --> 01:01:20,093
So we both went back,

1044
01:01:20,176 --> 01:01:24,889
and the vault can open
with a special duress combination

1045
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:28,685
that activated another alarm.

1046
01:01:30,645 --> 01:01:36,943
I wanted every fucking
law enforcement agency in Seattle there,

1047
01:01:37,026 --> 01:01:39,112
and there as quick as possible.

1048
01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:43,449
The office was a ghost town.
Nobody was there. Lights were out.

1049
01:01:44,117 --> 01:01:47,245
I'm at my desk,
just trying to tie up some loose ends.

1050
01:01:47,328 --> 01:01:49,914
We're monitoring
the Seattle police radio

1051
01:01:49,997 --> 01:01:51,416
when the tones go out.

1052
01:01:51,499 --> 01:01:53,543
And you hear this beep, beep, beep.

1053
01:01:54,252 --> 01:01:56,963
They're in there for two minutes,
three minutes, five minutes.

1054
01:01:57,046 --> 01:01:59,757
I don't hear anything from Mustang.
Everything is cool.

1055
01:01:59,841 --> 01:02:01,384
And then finally I get the radio.

1056
01:02:01,467 --> 01:02:04,178
<i>We have two suspects
who entered the bank with hats on.</i>

1057
01:02:04,262 --> 01:02:05,388
<i>Long green coats,</i>

1058
01:02:05,471 --> 01:02:08,850
<i>wearing white pancake style makeup
on their faces.</i>

1059
01:02:08,933 --> 01:02:12,812
I hear someone calling in
over a radio, "You've been seen."

1060
01:02:15,773 --> 01:02:17,292
- He was not calm.
- Get in here. Help!

1061
01:02:17,316 --> 01:02:20,278
He was angry.
He wanted in, he wanted out.

1062
01:02:20,361 --> 01:02:21,696
He meant business.

1063
01:02:21,779 --> 01:02:23,281
Let's go, let's go, let's go!

1064
01:02:26,117 --> 01:02:28,286
I dumped the ProNet
into the bag.

1065
01:02:28,369 --> 01:02:31,914
As he has a gun aimed at me,

1066
01:02:31,998 --> 01:02:35,376
I'm thinking,
"Is he gonna come back and shoot me?"

1067
01:02:36,627 --> 01:02:38,880
Mike runs by and he says,

1068
01:02:38,963 --> 01:02:40,715
"A bank's been hit.
I think it's Hollywood."

1069
01:02:40,798 --> 01:02:43,092
We ran to the car,
turn on the lights,

1070
01:02:43,176 --> 01:02:46,220
turned on the siren
and took off down Second Avenue.

1071
01:02:47,054 --> 01:02:48,814
I leave my office
about five o'clock,

1072
01:02:48,890 --> 01:02:50,141
thinking the day's over with.

1073
01:02:50,641 --> 01:02:53,436
I walk into the kitchen of my house,
my pager goes off.

1074
01:02:53,519 --> 01:02:55,521
I looked down. It was Hollywood.

1075
01:02:56,773 --> 01:03:00,318
Scott was in the vault
for a little too long, I thought.

1076
01:03:00,401 --> 01:03:02,820
But then here he comes
bounding out of that area,

1077
01:03:03,404 --> 01:03:06,657
and he had this great big duffle bag,
which I took immediately.

1078
01:03:07,909 --> 01:03:11,287
I'm grabbing the 1,080,000
in this duffle bag.

1079
01:03:14,999 --> 01:03:17,877
By this point, we can hear the sirens.

1080
01:03:18,544 --> 01:03:22,340
And that's when we noticed
that there were cops everywhere.

1081
01:03:22,423 --> 01:03:23,758
Thick as flies.

1082
01:03:26,135 --> 01:03:28,888
Scott yells, "Steve,
maybe we should just abort right now."

1083
01:03:28,971 --> 01:03:30,014
"Let's just quit."

1084
01:03:30,097 --> 01:03:31,891
I say, "What the fuck
are you talking about?"

1085
01:03:31,974 --> 01:03:34,602
"Let's go! Get this shit done.
Get these tracers out."

1086
01:03:34,685 --> 01:03:36,854
I was driving that fucking car
like it was stolen.

1087
01:03:36,938 --> 01:03:40,817
We were getting updates constantly
from the chief dispatcher.

1088
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:42,902
Two suspects armed with handguns,

1089
01:03:43,444 --> 01:03:46,447
but I'm trying to focus on
the tracking devices that left the bank.

1090
01:03:46,531 --> 01:03:48,950
<i>Do we have any signs
going at all at this time?</i>

1091
01:03:49,450 --> 01:03:51,661
<i>Wedgwood and Lake City
are both hot.</i>

1092
01:03:52,161 --> 01:03:53,913
I'm following
this tracking device.

1093
01:03:53,996 --> 01:03:55,706
It's hitting different areas of the city,

1094
01:03:55,790 --> 01:03:58,084
different antennas, hot and cold,
hot and cold.

1095
01:03:58,167 --> 01:03:59,919
I'm trying to follow that signal.

1096
01:04:00,002 --> 01:04:01,838
Finally Scott yelled out, "I got one!"

1097
01:04:01,921 --> 01:04:03,381
He gave me two $20 bills

1098
01:04:03,464 --> 01:04:05,508
that were glued together
with the ProNet tag,

1099
01:04:05,591 --> 01:04:08,094
and I threw it out the window
and kept going down the street.

1100
01:04:08,177 --> 01:04:10,471
An officer
pops up on the radio and says,

1101
01:04:10,555 --> 01:04:13,140
"I'm starting to get
a real strong indication here."

1102
01:04:13,224 --> 01:04:14,433
I roll up on the scene

1103
01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:18,187
and found on the street
the tracking device discarded.

1104
01:04:18,271 --> 01:04:20,481
And immediately, I said, "Oh, shit."

1105
01:04:21,399 --> 01:04:24,318
But I knew there's one more
tracking unit still out there.

1106
01:04:25,194 --> 01:04:28,614
They were back there working. I said,
"Biggins, straighten your mind up."

1107
01:04:28,698 --> 01:04:31,534
"Get the fucking shit going.
Don't be afraid. Just get it done."

1108
01:04:32,451 --> 01:04:36,581
It was such a panic
with all the police out buzzing around.

1109
01:04:36,664 --> 01:04:38,583
We knew that they were hunting us.

1110
01:04:38,666 --> 01:04:42,503
We had taken $1,080,000 out of the bank

1111
01:04:42,587 --> 01:04:46,048
and it was too difficult
to find the tracking devices.

1112
01:04:49,385 --> 01:04:54,223
All of a sudden my display lights up
and goes, "Poof!" It's game day. Showtime.

1113
01:04:58,185 --> 01:05:01,188
Scott said, "Pull over.
I want to drive. I know better where...'

1114
01:05:01,272 --> 01:05:03,900
I said, "I know where I'm going.
Just do what you gotta do."

1115
01:05:03,983 --> 01:05:04,901
And he was stubborn.

1116
01:05:04,984 --> 01:05:06,068
Get over here!

1117
01:05:06,152 --> 01:05:09,280
And I finally said, "Okay,"
and I looked behind my driver's seat,

1118
01:05:09,363 --> 01:05:11,115
and there was this pile of money.

1119
01:05:11,198 --> 01:05:13,826
And they didn't have
any order to what they were doing,

1120
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:16,662
and I go, "Oh my God. Oh my fucking God."

1121
01:05:17,622 --> 01:05:19,790
Just drive!
What are you doing? Let's go!

1122
01:05:19,874 --> 01:05:21,834
I'm still a ways back.
I need to get there.

1123
01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:23,336
It's my case. I need to be there.

1124
01:05:24,378 --> 01:05:26,578
I'm listening to the tone
and it's going, "Eeee."

1125
01:05:26,631 --> 01:05:28,174
And I'm following the display

1126
01:05:28,257 --> 01:05:30,551
and it's guiding me in
towards this white van.

1127
01:05:31,344 --> 01:05:33,220
And I shut off all my lights

1128
01:05:33,304 --> 01:05:34,847
and I'm just following the display

1129
01:05:34,931 --> 01:05:37,391
right towards the rear end
of this Chevy van.

1130
01:05:38,976 --> 01:05:42,188
I could see there was condensation
on the back windows.

1131
01:05:42,772 --> 01:05:45,733
And we could see lights
through the back window.

1132
01:05:45,816 --> 01:05:47,026
It looked very odd.

1133
01:05:47,568 --> 01:05:50,237
So we knew
they were scouring through the money.

1134
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,824
I said, "Radio,
we're gonna be doing a felony car stop."

1135
01:05:53,908 --> 01:05:55,910
<i>We're gonna have to do
a felony stop here.</i>

1136
01:05:55,993 --> 01:05:57,328
<i>I'd like to have more units.</i>

1137
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,123
And so Scott, as he pulls up,
we're on a little knoll,

1138
01:06:01,207 --> 01:06:03,459
he pulled up to the street to turn left.

1139
01:06:03,542 --> 01:06:05,836
And as he turned left, I saw the cop cars.

1140
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,296
Three cop cars behind us.

1141
01:06:08,130 --> 01:06:11,342
The van coasted to a stop
against the curb.

1142
01:06:11,425 --> 01:06:15,888
As I was getting out of the car
and drawing my pistol and going on target,

1143
01:06:16,931 --> 01:06:21,811
I realized that the suspect
was already out of the van.

1144
01:06:21,894 --> 01:06:24,897
The police have always said we shot first.
It didn't happen that way.

1145
01:06:24,981 --> 01:06:27,650
They were the ones that ambushed us
and began shooting at us.

1146
01:06:27,733 --> 01:06:30,861
Meyers' mouth is moving again,
so he's obviously lying.

1147
01:06:30,945 --> 01:06:32,989
Let me tell you this.
Let me tell you this.

1148
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,995
I could see, along the driver's side door,
a silhouette,

1149
01:06:39,620 --> 01:06:42,498
and it was dark,
but I could see they had a rifle.

1150
01:06:43,332 --> 01:06:46,961
And I saw the rifle come down on me.

1151
01:06:47,044 --> 01:06:48,045
I didn't see it.

1152
01:06:48,129 --> 01:06:50,840
I... I could only see
through the front windshield.

1153
01:06:50,923 --> 01:06:53,676
So I never saw anybody get out of the van.

1154
01:06:55,678 --> 01:06:58,764
The reason for those guns
wasn't to have a shootout with the cops.

1155
01:06:58,848 --> 01:07:00,141
It was to disarm the vehicle.

1156
01:07:00,933 --> 01:07:03,644
No. That rifle was pointed right at me.

1157
01:07:03,728 --> 01:07:06,230
Everything that I was taught
was kicking in.

1158
01:07:06,814 --> 01:07:09,108
He went down to take aim at me,

1159
01:07:09,191 --> 01:07:10,776
and I thought, "Oh, shit."

1160
01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:13,404
And for some reason
the rifle was not firing.

1161
01:07:13,487 --> 01:07:16,198
And then,
"click, click, click." Three clicks.

1162
01:07:16,282 --> 01:07:17,825
I go, "Oh my God."

1163
01:07:18,826 --> 01:07:22,038
Suddenly the cops started shooting
into the back of the van.

1164
01:07:23,289 --> 01:07:25,916
I could tell my rounds
were going through the back door.

1165
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,504
All I remember is getting hit
by a bullet, and getting knocked over.

1166
01:07:30,588 --> 01:07:33,716
Suddenly, my left arm
just starts flying in front of my face.

1167
01:07:33,799 --> 01:07:37,136
"They fucking shot my arm off!
They fucking shot my arm off!"

1168
01:07:37,219 --> 01:07:38,054
I'm screaming.

1169
01:07:38,137 --> 01:07:41,682
And then a little bit further up,
Scott stops again and gets a shotgun.

1170
01:07:42,266 --> 01:07:46,020
When we get to that second location,
a firefight really ensues.

1171
01:07:46,103 --> 01:07:50,524
As I was getting out of the car
to draw down on the van again,

1172
01:07:50,608 --> 01:07:52,568
I heard three of the loudest booms.

1173
01:07:54,737 --> 01:07:57,782
There are bullets
whizzing by my head.

1174
01:07:57,865 --> 01:08:00,201
All I could see was glass breaking.

1175
01:08:00,284 --> 01:08:05,873
I didn't have my body armor,
and I am in the middle of a shitstorm.

1176
01:08:06,624 --> 01:08:09,627
I'm trying to communicate
with the FBI office.

1177
01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:11,754
I'm telling 'em, "Shots fired."

1178
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:15,049
The van takes off again.

1179
01:08:15,132 --> 01:08:17,468
My left arm
is just floating in the air.

1180
01:08:17,551 --> 01:08:19,553
Biggins is shot in the abdomen.

1181
01:08:19,637 --> 01:08:20,637
Blood everywhere.

1182
01:08:21,138 --> 01:08:23,849
And then suddenly
the van comes to a thud. Boom.

1183
01:08:27,728 --> 01:08:30,106
As I lay in the back of the van,
Scott runs off.

1184
01:08:30,189 --> 01:08:32,483
I'm thinking,
"This is what we always spoke about."

1185
01:08:32,566 --> 01:08:34,527
We were all in this on our own.

1186
01:08:35,236 --> 01:08:37,488
As I was running
towards the vehicle,

1187
01:08:37,571 --> 01:08:41,742
I'm seeing a silhouette of a body
running south in an alley.

1188
01:08:43,202 --> 01:08:45,579
The wipers were going,
it was still in gear,

1189
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,832
and Biggins is not saying a word,

1190
01:08:47,915 --> 01:08:50,167
so I don't know
if he's alive or if he's dead.

1191
01:08:50,751 --> 01:08:51,751
And Scott's gone

1192
01:08:51,794 --> 01:08:54,130
and all I could hear
were all the cops yelling,

1193
01:08:54,213 --> 01:08:55,714
"He's gone. He's running over there."

1194
01:08:55,798 --> 01:08:58,050
"Shoot that motherfucker!
Kill him! Kill him!"

1195
01:08:59,426 --> 01:09:01,262
I went to the alley and I... I stopped.

1196
01:09:01,345 --> 01:09:04,807
I thought, "Don't go down this alley.
This is what we call the Fatal Funnel.

1197
01:09:05,933 --> 01:09:08,894
At that point I realized I should back off
and go back to the van

1198
01:09:08,978 --> 01:09:11,856
where other officers
had two suspects down.

1199
01:09:12,481 --> 01:09:14,942
And I saw this white male
down on the ground handcuffed.

1200
01:09:15,025 --> 01:09:16,902
I said, "Who are you? Are you Hollywood?"

1201
01:09:16,986 --> 01:09:19,405
And he says, "No. He ran down the alley."

1202
01:09:19,488 --> 01:09:22,158
I said, "Shoot me, son of a bitch.
You were doing it a minute ago."

1203
01:09:22,241 --> 01:09:24,034
"Just shoot me.
Kill me, get it over with."

1204
01:09:24,535 --> 01:09:28,080
He said, "Don't worry about it.
The courts will take care of your ass."

1205
01:09:28,164 --> 01:09:31,458
When he told me to shoot him, I said,
"No. You're not getting out of this one."

1206
01:09:31,542 --> 01:09:32,960
"We beat you at your game."

1207
01:09:35,045 --> 01:09:36,589
I didn't want to go to prison.

1208
01:09:36,672 --> 01:09:40,467
I mean, at that point nothing mattered.
Life was over as far as I was concerned.

1209
01:09:41,385 --> 01:09:44,346
And suddenly, the fear
and the pain and all that goes away,

1210
01:09:44,430 --> 01:09:47,224
and I looked in the van
and I saw this pile of money

1211
01:09:47,308 --> 01:09:49,602
and all the bullet holes
that the cops put in the van

1212
01:09:49,685 --> 01:09:51,687
were like laser beams of light.

1213
01:09:53,105 --> 01:09:56,567
And suddenly, this beautiful divine music
came into my head.

1214
01:09:56,650 --> 01:09:58,777
I'd never heard earthly music like it.

1215
01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:03,616
And the money became
almost like this talisman of...

1216
01:10:04,325 --> 01:10:07,870
"What is it? It's a bunch of paper.
Who gives a shit?"

1217
01:10:07,953 --> 01:10:09,747
"Who does what people do

1218
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:13,292
for this stupid stuff
that has no meaning, really?"

1219
01:10:19,506 --> 01:10:22,092
The Fire Department
was at the scene treating Biggins,

1220
01:10:22,176 --> 01:10:24,887
and he was motionless
like he was dead on the ground.

1221
01:10:25,804 --> 01:10:28,933
As I was looking at him, the firefighter
looked up at me and he went...

1222
01:10:29,433 --> 01:10:33,312
He gave me a thumbs down. I thought,
"Oh, shit. I just killed somebody."

1223
01:10:33,854 --> 01:10:38,067
I took a deep breath and I said to myself,
"This is something I never thought about."

1224
01:10:39,109 --> 01:10:43,530
I'd been in one previous shooting,
but I was not in a shooting like this.

1225
01:10:43,614 --> 01:10:44,782
This was a shootout.

1226
01:10:47,243 --> 01:10:50,454
Outside of the van,
I was in and out of consciousness.

1227
01:10:51,497 --> 01:10:54,667
I remember Mike Magan
opening one of my eyelids,

1228
01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:57,044
checking to see if I was living or dead.

1229
01:10:57,670 --> 01:11:02,216
I remembered having a sense of relief
that it's finally over.

1230
01:11:02,758 --> 01:11:07,388
I can let it go now.
I don't have to live like this anymore.

1231
01:11:10,349 --> 01:11:13,102
<i>The two men who were shot
were taken into custody</i>

1232
01:11:13,185 --> 01:11:14,853
<i>and then taken to the hospital.</i>

1233
01:11:14,937 --> 01:11:16,647
<i>One man remains at large.</i>

1234
01:11:16,730 --> 01:11:19,483
<i>Dozens of officers,
FBI agents, K-9 units,</i>

1235
01:11:19,566 --> 01:11:22,486
<i>even the SWAT team
were called in to look for the fugitive.</i>

1236
01:11:22,569 --> 01:11:26,073
Especially if somebody's
still on the loose, that's a scary thing.

1237
01:11:26,156 --> 01:11:27,408
They could be anywhere.

1238
01:11:29,410 --> 01:11:32,913
I follow the ambulance
down to Harborview Hospital.

1239
01:11:33,747 --> 01:11:36,267
I would deal with the crime scene later.
I need to talk to Steve

1240
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:39,086
and find out who else
we were looking for that night.

1241
01:11:39,169 --> 01:11:42,339
This is it. I'm not putting up with this
anymore. This has gotta be the closure.

1242
01:11:44,425 --> 01:11:46,552
In the waiting room
in the hospital,

1243
01:11:46,635 --> 01:11:49,346
Shawn Johnson asked me questions.

1244
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:53,309
And if you can imagine me being shot up
and I'm in a situation, here we are,

1245
01:11:53,392 --> 01:11:55,728
Scott's on the loose,
I don't know if he's dead or alive,

1246
01:11:57,021 --> 01:11:58,230
Biggins might die.

1247
01:11:59,148 --> 01:12:00,607
Your mind is not clear.

1248
01:12:01,608 --> 01:12:03,944
So I'm trying to protect myself.

1249
01:12:05,237 --> 01:12:07,406
After two hours,
Steve Meyers finally tells me

1250
01:12:07,489 --> 01:12:10,326
that the person I'm looking for
is Scott Scurlock.

1251
01:12:10,951 --> 01:12:12,619
He said Scott Scurlock is Hollywood.

1252
01:12:13,871 --> 01:12:15,456
<i>Seattle Police and Fire 19.</i>

1253
01:12:15,539 --> 01:12:18,667
<i>Yeah, I know they're doing a search
in our neighborhood.</i>

1254
01:12:18,751 --> 01:12:21,337
<i>- Yeah.
- Somebody just pounded on our door.</i>

1255
01:12:21,420 --> 01:12:23,464
<i>There is a canoe
with a tarp over it.</i>

1256
01:12:23,547 --> 01:12:24,381
<i>Uh-huh.</i>

1257
01:12:24,465 --> 01:12:26,592
<i>I don't know
if anybody should check it.</i>

1258
01:12:26,675 --> 01:12:29,887
<i>I didn't see anybody,
but I'm thinking that, um, under my deck</i>

1259
01:12:29,970 --> 01:12:31,347
<i>would be a good hiding place.</i>

1260
01:12:31,847 --> 01:12:35,142
I keep hearing that the officers
are going door-to-door

1261
01:12:35,225 --> 01:12:37,478
throughout the night
and throughout the day,

1262
01:12:37,561 --> 01:12:39,271
trying to find some lead.

1263
01:12:39,355 --> 01:12:40,397
Nothing is turning up.

1264
01:12:40,481 --> 01:12:44,526
<i>I'm just wondering, in my area
there's police all over and helicopters...</i>

1265
01:12:44,610 --> 01:12:46,570
<i>Right,
you need to stay inside, ma'am,</i>

1266
01:12:46,653 --> 01:12:50,115
<i>and, uh, try not to tie up
the emergency lines with calls.</i>

1267
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:52,242
When I learned that Hollywood had escaped,

1268
01:12:52,326 --> 01:12:56,080
I was angered because so much work
had gone in to try to apprehend him.

1269
01:12:56,163 --> 01:12:59,708
The only word that kept coming
to my mind is, "Fuck. Really?"

1270
01:12:59,792 --> 01:13:03,379
Hollywood was right there.
How did he get away?

1271
01:13:09,635 --> 01:13:13,764
For the next several hours,
I was walking around with nervous energy

1272
01:13:13,847 --> 01:13:15,265
when my pager went off.

1273
01:13:15,849 --> 01:13:20,020
<i>I think that bank robber might be
hiding in my camper in the backyard.</i>

1274
01:13:20,104 --> 01:13:21,744
<i>And what makes you think that?</i>

1275
01:13:21,814 --> 01:13:24,108
<i>I saw somebody's in there
and it's all locked up</i>

1276
01:13:24,191 --> 01:13:26,110
<i>and nobody's supposed to be in there.</i>

1277
01:13:26,193 --> 01:13:29,530
It was my old partner and he said to me,

1278
01:13:29,613 --> 01:13:33,409
"They have your suspect cornered
right near the shooting scene."

1279
01:13:33,992 --> 01:13:35,994
<i>Could you tell
if it was male or female?</i>

1280
01:13:36,078 --> 01:13:37,621
<i>No, I just saw some dark hair.</i>

1281
01:13:38,205 --> 01:13:41,291
<i>- Okay. How long ago?
- I just came in, right now.</i>

1282
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:46,088
The officers
are dispatched to the camper.

1283
01:13:46,713 --> 01:13:49,049
They're pounding on the camper,
trying to see who's inside.

1284
01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:51,760
So they bust the window
and spray in pepper spray.

1285
01:13:52,344 --> 01:13:54,638
And a moment later
they hear a single gunshot.

1286
01:13:55,639 --> 01:13:58,100
The officers
fire back into the camper.

1287
01:14:06,275 --> 01:14:09,820
I was told that 76 rounds
had been fired into the camper

1288
01:14:09,903 --> 01:14:11,822
by officers who were at the scene.

1289
01:14:14,491 --> 01:14:15,576
{\an8}Good evening.

1290
01:14:15,659 --> 01:14:17,995
{\an8}Thanksgiving has been interrupted
for dozens of families.

1291
01:14:18,078 --> 01:14:19,204
It's a police standoff,

1292
01:14:19,288 --> 01:14:22,416
and the suspect may be
the bank robber known as Hollywood.

1293
01:14:22,499 --> 01:14:24,460
<i>Right now,
Hollywood the bank robber,</i>

1294
01:14:24,543 --> 01:14:27,463
<i>one of the luckiest,
most prolific in the country,</i>

1295
01:14:27,546 --> 01:14:29,214
<i>looks like his luck has run out.</i>

1296
01:14:32,885 --> 01:14:34,052
As I was arriving,

1297
01:14:34,136 --> 01:14:36,472
Seattle police
was getting there simultaneously

1298
01:14:36,555 --> 01:14:39,391
with their armored vehicles
and setting up a command post.

1299
01:14:39,892 --> 01:14:42,603
We had helicopters.
We had armored vehicles.

1300
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:46,815
There were probably a couple of hundred
law enforcement officers there that day.

1301
01:14:46,899 --> 01:14:48,734
I'd never seen such a huge response.

1302
01:14:48,817 --> 01:14:50,152
This is Thanksgiving Day.

1303
01:14:50,235 --> 01:14:53,447
The whole city is at home
with their families

1304
01:14:53,530 --> 01:14:56,408
and able to watch what's happening on TV.

1305
01:14:57,326 --> 01:14:59,536
Not only does
the entire neighborhood come out,

1306
01:14:59,620 --> 01:15:01,872
but if you live near that neighborhood,
you come out.

1307
01:15:02,372 --> 01:15:04,541
People come to see what is happening,

1308
01:15:04,625 --> 01:15:07,211
especially when something
that's almost like a movie

1309
01:15:07,294 --> 01:15:08,921
is so close to their homes.

1310
01:15:09,004 --> 01:15:12,424
I mean,
a quiet North Seattle neighborhood,

1311
01:15:12,508 --> 01:15:16,303
and you have hundreds of police,
the SWAT team.

1312
01:15:17,179 --> 01:15:19,014
All this happening on Thanksgiving.

1313
01:15:19,097 --> 01:15:21,141
A Thanksgiving
that nobody's going to forget.

1314
01:15:21,850 --> 01:15:24,102
Our last of our guests were leaving

1315
01:15:24,186 --> 01:15:27,397
and I got a call
from my Aunt Helen who lives in Seattle,

1316
01:15:27,481 --> 01:15:29,608
and she was hysterical.

1317
01:15:29,691 --> 01:15:30,771
<i>Our top story...</i>

1318
01:15:30,817 --> 01:15:34,196
It was all over the Seattle news
that there was this police shootout

1319
01:15:34,279 --> 01:15:36,823
with this bandit named Scott Scurlock,

1320
01:15:36,907 --> 01:15:40,285
and there's a SWAT team
around this little trailer

1321
01:15:40,369 --> 01:15:42,287
in this lady's backyard.

1322
01:15:42,371 --> 01:15:46,959
And then I, at that point, sat down

1323
01:15:47,042 --> 01:15:50,963
and just said... "Whoa. Whoa."

1324
01:15:51,046 --> 01:15:52,631
It was just so mind-blowing

1325
01:15:53,340 --> 01:15:57,594
to find out that he's been robbing banks
for five years.

1326
01:15:58,512 --> 01:16:00,192
{\an8}<i>People are
out of their homes,</i>

1327
01:16:00,264 --> 01:16:03,642
{\an8}<i>their Thanksgiving disrupted
by this, uh, police manhunt</i>

1328
01:16:03,725 --> 01:16:05,185
{\an8}<i>that has been going on now</i>

1329
01:16:05,269 --> 01:16:07,479
{\an8}<i>for more than 24 hours
in this neighborhood.</i>

1330
01:16:07,563 --> 01:16:10,607
{\an8}<i>Police and FBI agents
have been in standoff mode,</i>

1331
01:16:10,691 --> 01:16:13,110
{\an8}<i>guns drawn, and negotiators in place.</i>

1332
01:16:13,193 --> 01:16:15,237
The standoff is still underway.

1333
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,447
We know that shots have been fired.

1334
01:16:17,531 --> 01:16:20,867
They've been banging on the door.
They've tried to contact him. They can't.

1335
01:16:22,244 --> 01:16:24,663
They wanted this to end
in the way they wanted it to end.

1336
01:16:24,746 --> 01:16:26,186
They weren't gonna take any chances.

1337
01:16:28,083 --> 01:16:32,546
{\an8}And after two hours of no response
we decided to make entry into the camper.

1338
01:16:36,925 --> 01:16:39,011
I walk in with the Tactical Team.

1339
01:16:40,095 --> 01:16:41,972
We found a body underneath the table.

1340
01:16:43,557 --> 01:16:45,892
I had a picture with me. I look down.

1341
01:16:49,187 --> 01:16:50,187
Scott.

1342
01:16:50,981 --> 01:16:53,609
At that point, I knew that it was...
We had him.

1343
01:16:54,234 --> 01:16:56,737
And turned out that he had killed himself.

1344
01:16:56,820 --> 01:16:59,948
That first shot the officers heard
was him killing himself.

1345
01:17:05,370 --> 01:17:06,496
Good evening.

1346
01:17:06,580 --> 01:17:10,000
{\an8}A suspected bank robber who died yesterday
during a standoff with police

1347
01:17:10,083 --> 01:17:11,877
apparently killed himself.

1348
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,046
{\an8}Scott Scurlock,
who police dubbed Hollywood,

1349
01:17:14,129 --> 01:17:15,922
{\an8}was found dead in a camper last night...

1350
01:17:16,006 --> 01:17:19,092
{\an8}I woke up the next morning
in the hospital and the TV was going

1351
01:17:19,176 --> 01:17:23,680
and the news was carpeted with us,

1352
01:17:23,764 --> 01:17:28,977
and my name and Scott Scurlock
from Olympia, Washington, deceased.

1353
01:17:29,770 --> 01:17:31,271
A self-inflicted wound.

1354
01:17:32,689 --> 01:17:35,067
And, uh, I kind of looked and I just go...

1355
01:17:37,235 --> 01:17:39,154
"Thank God," you know.
I just said, "Thank God."

1356
01:17:41,615 --> 01:17:43,241
The shootout was the end.

1357
01:17:43,867 --> 01:17:48,121
Not only the end of our endeavors,
but the end of a certain life that I had.

1358
01:17:50,874 --> 01:17:53,168
We were like two comets that came together

1359
01:17:53,251 --> 01:17:57,589
and we met up and we started flying
through the fucking universe

1360
01:17:57,673 --> 01:18:00,884
and suddenly, boom!
It's all busted up in one second.

1361
01:18:00,967 --> 01:18:02,010
It's gone.

1362
01:18:06,223 --> 01:18:09,935
I feel like this episode
tested me in every possible way.

1363
01:18:11,561 --> 01:18:14,398
I was thinking about my kids
when the shooting started,

1364
01:18:15,065 --> 01:18:17,776
and wondering, you know,
am I doing the right thing

1365
01:18:17,859 --> 01:18:20,779
by doing this job
when there's a lot of other jobs

1366
01:18:20,862 --> 01:18:22,489
I could be doing in the FBI?

1367
01:18:25,492 --> 01:18:28,787
A day doesn't go by
where you don't think about it.

1368
01:18:30,122 --> 01:18:34,626
My only question to him would probably be,
"Why did you take your life?"

1369
01:18:36,086 --> 01:18:37,504
And I'll quote Mark Twain,

1370
01:18:37,587 --> 01:18:41,133
and Mark Twain said
that he would never wish death upon a man,

1371
01:18:41,216 --> 01:18:43,677
but he's read some obituaries
with great pleasure.

1372
01:18:46,304 --> 01:18:48,724
The major regret I have
in this investigation

1373
01:18:48,807 --> 01:18:51,560
is the fact I never got
to sit down with Scott

1374
01:18:51,643 --> 01:18:54,646
and talk to him face-to-face, man-to-man.

1375
01:18:56,690 --> 01:18:59,901
If I had been in the vehicle that night,
in front of that pursuit line,

1376
01:18:59,985 --> 01:19:02,738
would I have done what Mike did,
shoot into the back of that van? No.

1377
01:19:02,821 --> 01:19:06,950
There's always another day to catch him.
Seriously, there's always another day.

1378
01:19:13,206 --> 01:19:15,417
It was heartbreaking
for the whole family.

1379
01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:18,128
It was almost like a...
like a double whammy of... of,

1380
01:19:18,211 --> 01:19:22,215
"Whoa. He was doing what?
He ended up here?"

1381
01:19:23,592 --> 01:19:28,138
My father adored Scott
and was heartbroken.

1382
01:19:28,221 --> 01:19:31,767
Not only that we lost him.
We also lost who we thought he was.

1383
01:19:32,476 --> 01:19:34,644
I miss
being able to love him.

1384
01:19:35,228 --> 01:19:37,689
I miss being loved by him.

1385
01:19:38,732 --> 01:19:41,234
And he really genuinely loved me.

1386
01:19:41,318 --> 01:19:43,487
I don't think
there's any question about that at all.

1387
01:19:43,570 --> 01:19:46,656
And I loved him dearly.
No matter what he was like.

1388
01:19:47,157 --> 01:19:50,160
The number of secrets he had
about the life he had been leading

1389
01:19:50,243 --> 01:19:51,578
were so huge

1390
01:19:52,412 --> 01:19:57,542
that if he had walked out of that trailer,
put his hands in the air, and surrendered,

1391
01:19:58,043 --> 01:20:01,421
he would have had to have faced
his entire world.

1392
01:20:02,339 --> 01:20:06,343
And I honestly believe
that the last decade of his life,

1393
01:20:06,968 --> 01:20:11,348
he was making choices that he knew
were gonna come down to a dead end.

1394
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:15,769
I received a call.

1395
01:20:16,394 --> 01:20:18,897
"Scotty's died.
He died in a bank robbery."

1396
01:20:19,397 --> 01:20:22,150
My mind immediately went into,

1397
01:20:22,234 --> 01:20:25,320
"He was trying to stop the bank robbery.
He was being the hero."

1398
01:20:25,403 --> 01:20:28,865
{\an8}And so I asked the question. "Well,
how did he die in the bank robbery?"

1399
01:20:28,949 --> 01:20:31,993
{\an8}And the answer came back
that he was the bank robber.

1400
01:20:32,661 --> 01:20:35,247
It felt like my heart
and my brain exploded.

1401
01:20:35,330 --> 01:20:39,584
When I was in prison,
Mustang visited me four or five times.

1402
01:20:39,668 --> 01:20:43,046
She would always come on the anniversary,
the day before Thanksgiving.

1403
01:20:43,129 --> 01:20:44,714
She'd always think of Scott.

1404
01:20:45,924 --> 01:20:49,386
And I got a letter from her sister,
said that she'd committed suicide.

1405
01:20:50,178 --> 01:20:53,640
She just couldn't bear the fact
that all that she'd been involved with

1406
01:20:53,723 --> 01:20:55,976
over the years with Scott and me,

1407
01:20:56,059 --> 01:20:59,813
and that suddenly he's dead
and I'm in prison for all these years,

1408
01:20:59,896 --> 01:21:02,190
and that she is walking free.

1409
01:21:02,274 --> 01:21:04,985
It's like, she's not walking free
in her own soul.

1410
01:21:05,068 --> 01:21:07,445
I don't think she believed
she was walking free.

1411
01:21:08,572 --> 01:21:11,199
{\an8}Steve Meyers,
who used to go to Shakespeare plays

1412
01:21:11,283 --> 01:21:12,576
{\an8}with my husband and I.

1413
01:21:13,243 --> 01:21:14,578
{\an8}He's going to prison.

1414
01:21:14,661 --> 01:21:16,246
We have Mark Biggins.

1415
01:21:16,788 --> 01:21:19,875
Sensitive guy. Poet, guitar player.

1416
01:21:20,542 --> 01:21:23,336
He's going to prison. Blows my mind.

1417
01:21:24,129 --> 01:21:26,798
People always say,
"Oh, you knew the guy in the Treehouse?"

1418
01:21:26,882 --> 01:21:30,385
"You knew Hollywood?"
I'd go, "Hey, I didn't know Hollywood."

1419
01:21:30,468 --> 01:21:31,928
"I knew Scott Scurlock."

1420
01:21:34,890 --> 01:21:37,475
Scott and I
had several discussions about,

1421
01:21:37,559 --> 01:21:39,644
"What are you gonna do if we get caught?"

1422
01:21:41,146 --> 01:21:43,565
And he would always, always say,

1423
01:21:43,648 --> 01:21:47,152
"I'm not going to prison.
I'm gonna head for the white light."

1424
01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:51,615
I've read the victim impact statements

1425
01:21:51,698 --> 01:21:57,495
and some bank tellers and some customers
in the bank were... were truly traumatized

1426
01:21:57,579 --> 01:22:02,918
by the... the whole experience,
and that I regret sincerely.

1427
01:22:07,422 --> 01:22:10,050
Scott had a T-shirt
that said "Live Free or Die."

1428
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:14,012
And I think he spent a lot of years
figuring out how to live free.

1429
01:22:15,305 --> 01:22:16,306
But in the end,

1430
01:22:18,058 --> 01:22:20,602
he died and he wasn't free.

1431
01:22:25,607 --> 01:22:26,816
After his death,

1432
01:22:27,317 --> 01:22:29,861
the Treehouse died
within a year, a year and a half.

1433
01:22:29,945 --> 01:22:31,279
It crumbled and fell.

1434
01:22:31,780 --> 01:22:36,368
I mean, this tree house and Scott
were one soul, inseparable.

1435
01:22:37,077 --> 01:22:38,954
And Scott's death was its death.

1436
01:22:40,997 --> 01:22:42,499
And it had to be that way.

1437
01:22:45,627 --> 01:22:49,297
After being released from prison,
I went back to the Treehouse.

1438
01:22:50,215 --> 01:22:51,675
It looked like a shipwreck.

1439
01:22:52,175 --> 01:22:54,719
It was just a pile of timber.

1440
01:22:55,470 --> 01:23:00,141
And I took some of Scott's ashes
and spread them and said goodbye, finally.

1441
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,520
<i>I have just finished
reading my whole diary</i>

1442
01:23:05,563 --> 01:23:07,482
<i>and it seems like a thing of the past.</i>

1443
01:23:09,192 --> 01:23:11,319
<i>I feel like a completely different person.</i>

1444
01:23:12,862 --> 01:23:14,322
<i>So many things have happened to me</i>

1445
01:23:14,406 --> 01:23:16,616
<i>that there's no way
I could write them all down.</i>

1446
01:23:19,244 --> 01:23:22,414
<i>My mind seems to be farther than my body
from the earth below.</i>

1447
01:23:24,457 --> 01:23:26,793
<i>I feel excited but scared.</i>

1448
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,757
<i>It is a time of new beginnings.</i>